1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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1936xxMarcelK
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by 1936xxMarcelK »

Okay, in modern cars it is shored an dynamo voltage regulator, but in my car orginally a switch?
right?

Do you know how high the volts Summer/Winter are?
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by Tony Fearn »

Hello Marcel,

Here's the 1936 wiring diagram:-
1936 wiring.jpg
and a diagram of the 7hp dynamo and cut-out:-
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The dynamo should be a third brush type. There are two large carbon brushes, and a much thinner third brush. This thin one can be moved around the commutator by loosening a screw on the dynamo backplate. It alters the charge rate. Summer charge is the one that should be set with this brush as far as I remember, and not too high to boil the battery acid!!

When the switch is turned to winter charge, this allows more amperes into the circuit to allow for the drainage from the lights.

I think the original cut-out for the dynamo is fastened to the bulkhead on the passenger side (remembering it's RHD) as shown in one of the photos below.

Tony.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by 1936xxMarcelK »

Hello,
I´m back from my Holidaytrip with my moped ´Kreidler Florett`. Without any break-down!! :D
Today i have become post. My first Jowetteer is here!!



Hello Tony
You said
the original cut-out for the dynamo is fastened to the bulkhead on the passenger side
it can be right, but on the top of the dynamo are two loose screws. (see photo)
i think here was original the induction coil, and that induction coil on to the bulkhead on the passenger side is the wrong place, what do you say?
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Marcel,
You will see there is a booking form in the Jowetteer for the Rally in Basingstoke. Now how about aiming to get the car there in May 2013. It does not have to be finished. :D

Where do you live as we may be able to visit on our way through Germany on 22nd and 23rd August and from 7th till 9th September in the Jupiter?
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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1936xxMarcelK wrote:On the top of the dynamo are two loose screws.
i think here was original the induction coil, and that induction coil on to the bulkhead on the passenger side is the wrong place, what do you say?
Marcel,

Here's a photo of the dynamo with the induction coil in the correct place.
Sarah Jane ('32).JPG
The bolts should have thin washers under them. If not the bolts will go too deep through the dynamo casing and press on the field coils, which in turn will press on the armature, and the whole engine might not turn over as it should. The dynamo is driven by the timing chain which is around the camshaft and crankshaft sprockets, so if the dynamo can not turn, then the others might not be able to also.

The photo on the front of your August copy of the Jowetteer shows one of my long-time friends, Michael Koch-Osborne, the grandson of William Jowett, who was one of the founding brothers of Jowett cars. Quite a good start to your Jowetteer collection.

Regards,

Tony.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Hello,


To Forumadmin

Hello,
yes, there is a booking form in the Jowetteer. Maybe i can come to that Rally. :roll: :roll: We can talk about next jear.
Now how about aiming to get the car there in May 2013. It does not have to be finished.

...I don´t really understand can you give me a easy replay for me?

Nice, I will be happy, if you visit me! please look here:
http://maps.google.de/
You have to input: 74417 Gschwend Germany



Tony
okay, the screws on the dynamo is not hard screwed.
Thank you for the photo, and you mean, my should to look like so?
Oh nice car, its a few jears older than my Jowett


here pictures:
the baggage porter is not original, i know! But I find, it looks verry good so.
it will be the the first and single thing who is not original.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Marcel,

Yes, that's how your coil and cut-out should look as far as I know.

Regarding the 'baggage porter', or as we say 'luggage rack'. It looks very nice, but rather heavy. I presume it folds up to the vertical when not in use. The engine is 907 cc and the bhp is 17! The body on the car is a four door type which in itself is also rather heavy. Add two people in the front seats, and perhaps another two or three in the rear seat and there will be quite a mass to move forward with such a small engine, even if there is no 'baggage' to 'porte.'

If there will only be two people on board most of the time, then the added weight of the rack should not make much difference.

I hope that you have photographed and documented the dismantling of the car, so that when everything is renewed, all the shiny and painted parts are easily replaced on to the vehicle and you don't finish up with a box of bits that you have no idea where they should go.

Keep up the good work, we're all waiting to see the finished product.

Tony.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Another thing Marcel.

If I am not mistaken, if you remove the radiator stays from the bulkhead, the steering wheel and column, the pedal levers, oil pressure gauge pipe and various electrical wires, the whole body can be lifted away from the chassis after removing about eight bolts that fasten it to the chassis. You will find them on the upper part and the inside of the chassis legs. This would make it much easier for you to restore the running gear and perhaps clean and paint the chassis itself.

That's if you can persuade someone to let you have a little more room in the garage!

Tony.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by 1936xxMarcelK »

Hello Tony

The thing with my coil, we will talk about, if it is the time for.
Oh nice, in german 'Gepäckträger' is the same word in english?
Yes, I think too, it will be heavy but I like the gepäckträger.
I presume it folds up to the vertical when not in use
you are right
My engine has 17 HP (horse power)?

I have made a lot of pictures but I hope that you give me a answer of my question, if I have one :idea:

Naturally I will keep up the work. I hope to the cars 80th birthday the restauration will be finnished


Sure i have planed to isolate the chassie from the body. Yesterday i have looked for the bolts, i checked eleven bolts. Its no problem to keep up the chassie. :mrgreen:
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by ian Howell »

Just an 'Idle' thought from an idle bystander - Did the car ever spend time in Ireland? It may have belonged to Rafferty who, if I remeber right, painted it 'forty shades of green'

Seriously, I think that when it is restored to the original colours it will look great - and distinctly different.

Must rush. I'm trying to make the rear window winders work properly. Anyone got a spare winder with a black knob?

I can offer an (earlier?) one in solid bronze if anyone is interested.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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1936xxMarcelK wrote: My engine has 17 HP (horse power)?
The car is rated at 7 horse power and the 17 I think refers to the brake horse power (bhp)

Tony.

Ian H:- Sorry can't help with the winder. Please send me an email with 'hello' in it, then I can put your address in the system. The last one you sent failed on my reply.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Tony,

Does the email facilty or PM on JowettTalk fail?
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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Hi Keith,

The PM itself works a treat, but as yet I haven't been able to work out how to send a PM containing reduced photos.

I also need Ian's email for contact outside of Jowetttalk.

Just got back from the Ex-employee's meet at the Bradford Industrial museum. Over 60 Jowetts and a goodly number of people to look round them.

Tony.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by Jack »

Hi Marcel,

While looking around for some photos I came across this article - it is about the Jupiter, but is in German so may be of interest. I am conscious that the vast majority of the information we have is in English, and it would be great to see more content in other languages to share our cars with a wider audience.

http://jowett.org/jowettnet/dt/contribu ... rticle.htm

Regards,

Jack.
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Re: 1936 Jowett in Germany restore

Post by 1936xxMarcelK »

Hello, I´m back from my holiday! How is the weather in England? Is it summer, too?


Hello Ian Howell
Seriously, I think that when it is restored to the original colours it will look great - and distinctly different.
Do you mean the two shades of green and beige, or only green?
I think the car was only green original.
But the colour combination ´two shades of green and beige´ is nice and i will paint my Jowett with similar colours.


Hello Tony

I can´t belive, that the engine has only 7 horse power, but in a originally Jowett handbook from 1935 is written that the engine has 7 Horse Power, too.
Really only 7 Hore Power? :?: it have to be big Horses! :wink:



Hello Jack

Oh nice, a german article about the Jowett firm!
Good to read! :D
Thank you
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