1936 Jowett in Germany restore

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello,

I am a young German guy and I have bought a Jowett curlew saloon long from 1936.

I would be interested in photos and details of other cars which have already been restored. Especially the boot lid, engine compartment and photos of the rear end. Can you tell me what the original colour of the car was or if you can tell from the photos in the link below, whether the paintwork is the original colour.




I don’t know where the middle ignition cable is supposed to be positioned. When I received the car, it was lying loose in the engine compartment. A Photo is comming soon.
I would also be interested in what the exact model name of the car is. I suspect it is either Falcon, Kestrel or Curlew.




This is the link to the original seller from the UK: http://www.catalogue-host.co.uk/richard ... 26/lot_554

I am currently working on the bonnet. I restored the hinge and welded a new panel to the bonnet.




Thanks for your replies so far and I look forward to hearing more from you soon

Marcel
PS.: normal i write my school english, but sometimes a friend can help me to write right english, to the better understanding

[Jack]

Hi Marcel,

Welcome to the forum, and good to see a young person taking on a restoration project - and great that someone in Germany is doing it. I am not aware of any pre-war cars in Germany, so you may have something really unique when you are finished.

Have you joined the club yet? If you have, you will soon have your first Jowetteer, the monthly newsletter. That has details of the prewar registrar Ian Priestley. He should be able to point you in the direction of a Curlew owner that can take some photos for you on a completed car - I know there is at least one that was at the 2012 annual weekend. Ian may be able to tell you from the factory records what the original colour was, if such records exist.

I think your car was discussed a few months ago when presented for sale - some members seemed quite sure of what model it was, hopefully they will be along shortly to verify. I think it was this thread, from Jul 2011 http://www.jowett.net/forum/viewtopic.p ... lew#p11189 - comment from Peter Holden suggests it was a Falcon, who has seen the car. He is a regular forum user so hopefully will be along shortly to assist.

Where in Germany do you live? A group of us were in Essen earlier this year, including Peter Pfister who owns a Javelin and is in Switzerland - I believe he speaks German as well as very good English and Swiss German, so may be able to help if there is something that you need to write in German and can help with a translation. Do not let the language be a barrier - you are one of us now and we will find a way.

Jack.

[Chris Spencer]

Marcel - Welcome - Your car is in fact a Falcon and not a Curlew, the car was advertised several times in the UK before being sold to a purchaser in Germany - has Jack states - just ask we shall help & advise where we can.

Regards Chris

[george garside]

Chris is right it is a Falcon. The curlew was only made in 1935 anyway. . The Falcon, which was the 1936version of the 1935 'standard saloon' is distinguished from the kestrel by not having a built out compartment for the spare wheel, in effect a small boot. So there will not be a boot lid problem, The missing back panel is just that a more or less flat panel that follows the shape of the back end and on which the spare wheel was externally mounted. Access to the luggage locker behind the back seat is from inside the carvia the back seat backrest being hinged.

george

[robert lintott]

My knowledge of prewar Jowetts is negligble compared to other contributors, however Marcel directs us to the Richard Edmonds site for their sale on 26 March 2011 so he is presumably the buyer who paid £1650--or is a subsequent buyer-- for BAK 156. Edmonds quoted the chassis number incorrectly as 64457 , but our 2008 register lists it as known but not registered with no. 644657. The register does not quote the model or the date of registration, but BAK was first used from 1st August 1936 by of course the borough of Bradford. Presumably the pictures in Edmonds catalogue provide evidence for the model?

It is good to see such enthusiasic help and offers to this new and overseas owner Bob Lintott

[1936xxMarcelK]

Thank you for your answers, I´m happy



To Jack:

Hello and thank you,
I only registered me in that Forum, How can i join to the Club?
Jowetter is perhaps a Magazine and comes every month or once a jear? How much is the prize?
It is interessting for me and would like to have this magazine.

Who is Lan Pirestley, a person who create a list of Jowett Models and datas?
One ists not easy to say what is it for a Model, The difference is little between that three models?

I live in the near of (70173) Stuttgart
If anybody is in Germany, you can visit me.

You wrote to me: Do not let the language be a barrier - you are one of us now and we will find a way.
Happy



To Chris Spencer

Hello and thank you,
Okay, but if you write in Google `Fanlon` , is comming a little selection in comparison to Kestrel or Curlew. Do you understand me?
I haven´t seen a picture, that is similar to my Jowett. I can´t say anything about the model.


To George Garside
To Robert Lintott

Hello and thank you,

Tomorrow i will write to you,
it is very exhausting and cost much time for me,
i hope, tomorrow i can go to my friend and he helps me with the english.





I hope you reasonably understand me.

many nice greetings from Germany Stuttgart

[p.p.]

salü marcel,
viele jowetter's verstehen deine sprache..... mit dem schreiben wird es ein bisschen happern, aber sonst ...
ich kann dir auch das nötigste übersetzen, sofern ich in der lage bin.....bei den technische sachen wird's problematik.
bin selber am bodensee beheimatet, in arbon.
club mitglied zu sein ist toll.... es wird dir immer geholfen. kostenpunkt:37 £, dann bist du in der section: "Rest of the World"
das magazin kommt jeden monat (leicht verspätet) - es schwimmt über den kanal. mit schwimm flügelchen......
es ist eine tolle familie......
peter

[Jack]

Thank you for your answers, I´m happy

To Jack:

Hello and thank you,
I only registered me in that Forum, How can i join to the Club?
Jowetter is perhaps a Magazine and comes every month or once a jear? How much is the prize?
It is interessting for me and would like to have this magazine.

Who is Lan Pirestley, a person who create a list of Jowett Models and datas?
One ists not easy to say what is it for a Model, The difference is little between that three models?

I live in the near of (70173) Stuttgart
If anybody is in Germany, you can visit me.

You wrote to me: Do not let the language be a barrier - you are one of us now and we will find a way.
Happy

Hi Marcel,

Details on joining the club here: http://jowett.org/join.htm - hopefully Peter can advise on how easiest to do this (I think he might have done already above!). You will receive the Jowetteer in print every month once your membership is confirmed, and I can also add you to the e-mail distribution list for the Jowetteer once your membership is confirmed to ensure you receive it at the same time as UK members.

Ian is the pre-war car registrar - this means he keeps the details of all the cars that we know of, and as a 1936 car he is the registrar for your car. He might have a little information on it that you are not aware of, previous owners or details from the factory perhaps. He will be interested to have the registration and chassis number to add to the records if they are not already included.

The concensus was that your car is a Falcon when it was discussed a while ago. That said the differences seem to be fairly small between these models - I couldn't tell them apart without guidance from an expert.

Stuttgart is easy to get to from the UK - with direct flights from Heathrow, Birmingham and Stansted, get your restoration underway, put some photos and details on here and you may find some members will come and lend a hand getting it finished. Also if you are interested it is worth booking onto the annual weekend next May - if you fly in to Heathrow it is only 40 miles and there will be space in the car for you. This will be an ideal chance to meet lots of people who know a huge amount about your car, you can collect parts and also it is a very social and fun weekend. http://www.jowett.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2510 - information is just coming out now, so keep an eye on that thread.

Jack.

[p.p.]

so marcel, jetzt bist du an der angel.... anmelden und mitmachen in unserem club..ian priestley weis alles du wirst erstaunt sein .
und "die engländer" sie kommen "die spinnen die engländer" habe es selber erlebt.....
nächtes jahr werde ich auch wieder dabei sein am nationalem rally, freue mich schon jetzt die familie wieder zu sehen .
du wirst das auto aussuchen können in welchem du mitfahren kannst,

peter

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello all Jowetter,
In the next Time, i will send you a few pictures about my Jowett.
My homecity is 50 Kilometers far away east from stuttgart.

To Georg

That can be right, the backseatbench can fold down and the sparewheel is install outside.
Also the bagagecarrier is swivelling and the numberblate too.
Jowett 1935 have a fold roof, but my jowett 1936 habe only a aluminiun roof pretentius.
Is that original?


Robert Lintoth

Do you mean, my numberplate BAK 156 is from a other car?, and only used for the new registrar?

You said:

Presumably the pictures in Edmonds catalogue provide evidence for the model?

What do you mean?? i don´t understand



To P.P.

I will give my best, that do you understand me.
In the next time I will be a member in this club, because I will get the magazine from July 2012. (Jack had said, a good report of a good Jowett 1936 is inside the magazine)

About the ralley in MAy next year, we will talk in a other time, it is interesting for me, too.



To Jack

Ian can have my data about my Jowett, if he exactly write what he need. I would with pleasure know about my Jowett.
If somebody visit me I would be pleased.
Next year in May 2013 I hope I can be at the ralley. i´m looking forward when we will see us there.


Greetings
Marcel

[p.p.]

salü marcel,
die nummer mit den anfang buchstaben : BAK ist von 1936 - also orginal !! wurde ab 1.august 1936 benutzt!

wichtig wäre , das du die motor nummer, chassie nummer ins forum stellst!!
den eine nummer, die: 644 6 57 ist bekannt aber noch nicht im register! edmonds hat eine zahl weggelassen die " 6 "!
wenn du mitglied bist, wird sie, wenn die nummer konntrolliert ist, ins register aufgenommen !
peter

[ian Howell]

My (unofficial) records show that this car was owned in 1970ish by G L Mitchell in the Lowestoft area. I saw it at a rally about then, possibly Cheltenham or Harrogate. It was presumably him that drove his car into a Norfolk barn in 1972.

I feel sure that Ian Priestley will have a lot more details.

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello,
Can sombody tell me, where i can find the chassie number?
Perhaps on the watercoolcontainer?



TO ivan howell

Hello,
it is interesting for me to hear the history from my Jowett.
How can I contact Ian Priestly?


To p.p.

ja, ich kann die Rahmen und Motornummer hier ins Forum stellen.
Das ist aber nicht so einfach, Mitglied zu werden, oder?, weil ich kann das formular oder den Link nicht finden, wo ich mich als Clubmitglied bewerben kann.
Kannst du mir helfen?



Here a few pictures for you:

[ian Howell]

Marcel: -

Good to 'hear' from you.

As Jack said, Ian Priestley keeps the Register of all pre-1939 cars that the club is (or was) aware of.

Unfortunately I think Ian is not 'on the internet' but you will be able to contact him easily by post or telephone when you get his details with your club membership (they come with your first Jowetteer), or someone who is able to do so may pass on your enquiries to Ian.

For just over 8 years now I have been 'repairing' a 1930 Long Four which was in a much worse condition than your car, but my son and I did manage to get it to the 2010 Centenary Rally, so it can be done! There is a picture of it and us on Google Images - (try 'Ian Howell Jowett'. Same in Germany?). Thanks to Tony Fearn.

I cannot offer much advice on the correct details for your car. Jowetts seemed to change quite a lot of detail every year!

Still, you can always ask - someone will know!

[p.p.]

salü marcel,
bei der antwort von jack am 4.julu 11:26 ist eine "http" adesse angegeben, anklicken und ausfüllen. ansonsten die angaben via mail zu mir (0714464628 "att" telekabel.ch) att= @, werde es gerne weiterleiten. mitglied zu werden ist einfach!!!
ian fragen zu stellen, einfach mir mitteilen und ich werde ihn telephonisch die fragen stellen.
meine tel 0041714464628 bin ab 12:00 - montag 8:00 abwesend.
gruss
peter