1936 Jowett in Germany restore

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello,
I want to have a few Informations for join the Jowett club,
- Where can i find the the Chassis number?
- Where can I find the body number, body typ? crankcase and gearbox numbers?
- Where can I find the date and place of original registration?

To K.Rogers

It is not possible to tell if there was ever a sunroof from looking at the inside oft he roof. The roof lining looks to be the original.
I will spray paint the car the same colour as the car currently has. I like the current colour combination. The wings of the car were never black, as far as I can tell at least. The car is equipped with leather seats. I intend to restore the original leather. I intend to give them to a saddler and have them restored. A few seams and the springs in the seat need to be renewed.
It looks like as if it is the original. Thank you very much for the nice pictures.


To Tony Fearn

The changes of the 1935 and 1936 models are clearly recognizable. Were there really hood ornaments on the original hoods or was it added subsequently?




Many greetings from Germany
Marcel!

[k. rogers]

Hi Marcel, from what you say it sounds like your car never had a sliding roof - saves an awful lot of bother for something which is prone to leak anyway! Regarding your colour scheme, I agree it looks very attractive and has more than likely been in those colours longer than any others.

[k. rogers]

To answer some of your initial questions in your last post:

The chassis number should be on a metal plate found somewhere on the bulkhead area - have a look on the 'toeboard', the wooden panel where the pedals go through. It may be missing altogether as it was on my Kingfisher.

The engine number will be found on the brass plate at the front top of the crankcase next to the timing cover - originally this would have matched the chassis number but the engine may have been replaced at some stage.

I notice on your link to the auctioneer's website, there is a photo of the interior and on the dash just below the windscreen fram there is an oval shape - is this a plaque or where there once was one? If so this probably would have had the original dealer's name and address on it.

[Tony Fearn]

Were there really hood ornaments on the original hoods or was it added subsequently?

This is the standard radiator cap for the 1934 7 hp Jowett, and I think for your model also, but not too sure.

Radiator cap.JPG

Some people have added their own choice of mascot because in the sales brochures there were references to a Jowett having:- the pull of an elephant; the appetite of a canary; the docility (easily managed) of a lamb. Kevin, who owns the Falcon in the photo I posted, has a falcon hood ornament as you can see.

My two Jowetts have a mascot each:-
1933 'Flying Fox'

'Flying Fox' mascot.JPG

1934 'Short saloon'

Elephant mascot.JPG

Tony.

[george garside]

It is entirely possible that the leather seats and the colour scheme are original, but neither were catalogued for the 1936 Falcon.

I am basing this opinion on evidence that Jowetts would depart from catalogue specification for individual orders. The Eight I had in the '60s ADB653 (not ADB753 which I also owned at one time and which was later restored by the late Doug Hoyle and which is now devoid of its original number!).

However ADB 653 was sold new by Roy Bradock and caollected from the factory by him , maintained throughout by him and sold to me by him so its originality was without question. It was painted green and cream by the factory and factory fitted with green leather upholstery as specified for the 4 cylinder models.

george

[ian Howell]

A minor 'aside' here: -

Ken Rogers says "The engine number will be found on the brass plate at the front top of the crankcase next to the timing cover"

I have seen this a number of times on 1930's cars and some Bristol Tractor engines, but on my 1930 Long Four the number - and the initials of the engine tester - are stamped into the body of the crankcase in the position stated.

When did the practice of using brass plates start?

Bearing in mind the additional costs of a brass plate, its rivets and the action of fixing it to the crankcase, is there an explanation for the change in practice?

[Chris Spencer]

Peter Holden - went to view this car when it was for sale in the UK - and advised that the engine in this car is not original and had in fact been a stationary engine in an earlier life - Peter also took some images of the car at the time of the veiwing - any chance that you could forward them on for Marcel ?

[k. rogers]

Ian, the brass plaque was introduced for the 1936 model year onwards and also stated the tappet clearance of 6 thou, an increase from 2 thou due to the higher lift cam also introduced that year.

[Peter Holden]

Chris

I would post the photos I took, if I could find them! Lost with the electrons!!!


Marcel

Car engines have a hole at the top of the crankcase for the fuel pump to run of the cam shaft. Stationary engines do not, they are often gravity feed. Another difference can be the cylinder heads, the spark plugs ore on the side not on top, there other difference but you need to take the heads off to see.

There was also a heater system hanging over the engine taking air through the radiator to the car. Home made and quite a common addition in the eary days.

Photos are top rear of Kestrel or Curlew 1935 / 36
bottom standard long saloon 1935 or Falcon 1936

When I bought my car that too was also Fawn, a similar colour to your car, wings as well. There did not appear to be any other colours under the paint. As mine had green rexine seats I would have expected the colour to have been green as the brochure.

[george garside]

a couple of quick points. In one of his early postings Marcel aasks about the coil lead andd this doesn't seem to have been answered. - The coil is normally mounted vertically on the saddle on top of the dynamo and appears to be missing on Marcels engine ( unless some previoous owner ha put it elsewhere!

As far as I can sort out the 6 thou tppets did not come in until part way through the '1936 model year which started at 642155. the later tappet setting caame in with a change of camshaft at 643100. I dont know whether the brass plate was used from the beginning of the '36 model year or from the change of camshaft. The two camshafts are interchangeable so if the tappets are very noisy ( by 'pre war standards)when set to 6 thou it is likely to be fitted witha '2 thou' camshaft.

Marcels crancase looks to be a car rather than industrial engine one as it has the petrol pump mounted thereon. The heads are also 'car'

george

[Peter Holden]

George
Looking at the photos on pages 1 you are correct the cylinder heads are car,
it also appears that the petrol pump is mounted as a car but there was something that pointed it to be a stationary engine as I looked at engine from both sides. Can't find pictures I took!

[Peter Holden]

Marcel
Some pictures of a 35 engine bay.
The condenser hanging on a wire with clips is NOT a standard fitting. It is a temporary lash up

The fuel pump shown is correct for 35 but 36 used a different pump without the glass bowl

Trust this helps

You can always Email me if you want more details

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello!

I would to join the club this week!
I need a few korekturen for my datas:
Model: Falcon
Chassis Number: Where can i find the number?

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Body nr.: not find
Gearbox nr.: not find
date and place of original registration: where can i find the information?

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To georg garside, Ian Howell, Chris Spencer, k.rogers, Peter Holden

I will write tomorrow more about your comments!


until then
Macel.

[Chris Spencer]

Marcel - The first images are I think of the radiator header tank - the ovel badge / plate I think is the makers / repairers emblem of the radiator and will not be the chassis number, the second image is indeed the original car suppliers plate - it looks like the car was supplied direct from the Jowett factory. We may have already the chassis number in the club records - can someone check with Ian Priestley if we have any other information on the car ? Registration number is: BAK 156

[Chris Spencer]

Marcel

Just done some of my own research - according to the auction details when the car was sold in the uk:

Chassis number is: 644657 (corrected)
Engine number is: 642698

It is highly likely that there was no body number issued for the vehicle

Regards

Chris