Thinking forward to the Summer, I was wondering if anyone has found the need to fit an electric fan to cope with modern stop/start motoring, car park queues etc? I'm getting everything together for the rewiring and if this is a sensible upgrade, I thought it would be good to do it at the same time to keep things neat.
Thanks, Barry
Long Two running temperature
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Hello Barry,
Years ago I fitted an electric fan to my '34 saloon, but it was suspended by a bespoke bracket from the two radiator stays equidistant from the rad and the bulkhead.
This was because the radiator down hose from the header tank and the manifold and carburettor arrangement didn't allow enough room to do anything else at the time.
I remember that with the bonnet closed and the fan on, smoke from a cigarette was drawn through the radiator.
Tony.
Years ago I fitted an electric fan to my '34 saloon, but it was suspended by a bespoke bracket from the two radiator stays equidistant from the rad and the bulkhead.
This was because the radiator down hose from the header tank and the manifold and carburettor arrangement didn't allow enough room to do anything else at the time.
I remember that with the bonnet closed and the fan on, smoke from a cigarette was drawn through the radiator.
Tony.
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Hi Tony
Do you still have the fan on the car, or was it not needed?? I'm just worried about it boiling up in standing traffic.
Barry
Do you still have the fan on the car, or was it not needed?? I'm just worried about it boiling up in standing traffic.
Barry
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Hello Barry.
Yes it's still on the car although I don't use the car much at the moment, and around my neck of the woods we have many lovely highways and byeways in the Ribble Valley, which I tend to use. Nevertheless, I'm glad the fan is there 'just in case'. It's not supremely efficient, but does drag air through the radiator if necessary, especially on long climbs, or as you say in standing traffic.
Of course it won't stand the scrutiny of the purist.
I could post a photo of it if you promise not to laugh!!
Tony.
Yes it's still on the car although I don't use the car much at the moment, and around my neck of the woods we have many lovely highways and byeways in the Ribble Valley, which I tend to use. Nevertheless, I'm glad the fan is there 'just in case'. It's not supremely efficient, but does drag air through the radiator if necessary, especially on long climbs, or as you say in standing traffic.
Of course it won't stand the scrutiny of the purist.
I could post a photo of it if you promise not to laugh!!
Tony.
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Re: Long Two running temperature
I'd like to see the photo and I promise not to show it to anyone. The car has had a few modifications and upgrades from other family members over the years, so in some ways it might be nice to put my own mark on it. It certainly won't be winning any beauty competitions. I'm more concerned with protecting/preserving, but also keeping it practical to use.
As an aside, I've just applied for a Tax Disc. I found an MOT Exemption Form to download and sent everything off to DVLA, so it will be interesting to see what happens!
As an aside, I've just applied for a Tax Disc. I found an MOT Exemption Form to download and sent everything off to DVLA, so it will be interesting to see what happens!
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Re: Long Two running temperature
I agree with Tony that an electric fan is worth having on a belt & braces basis.
The question of why this should be so is entirely another matter! WAIT and SEE crossed Africa in frying temperatures and used very little water. Similarly the REAAC 'test to destruction' in East Africa required 'very little water'. Moving onto the thirties the Light Car & Cyclecar test of a '33 Kestrel included a run up the notorios trials hill known as Park Rash which was the main obstacle in the London- Edinburgh Trial. ''An effortless climb was made with a passenger on board and the car pulled its way lustily right to the top of the Upper Rash -- about a two mile climb in all--without having given the driver any paangs or flying any distress signals in the shape of pinking or boiling'' Park Rash has a maaximim gradient of one in three and a half!
Coming more down to earth I well remember taking about 6 hours to get from Torquey to Bristol via a a20 mile traffic jam on notorious the Exeter bypass. 'This was in a CC Bradford. I had the foresight to run the 20 miles with one side of the bonnet open and the bugger ne'er got past warm! The verge was littered with vehicles old and new (early 60's stuff like ford consuls , Rover 90's etc etc) boiling like buggery. This provided reasonable proof that it is not a shortage of cooling air coming into the radiator but a build up of solid hot air trapped under the bonnet that stuffs things up so to speak - presumably this is why many cars haad vents in the bonnet sides,
The other reason for an electric fan is, I think, because even with the best care & attention the water passages in the pots and heads will be of smaller size than when made 70 or more years ago due to the gradual build up of solid 'crud' that is vertualy impossible to remove. The African test cars and the Kestrel mentioned above would of course have had brand new pots and heads.
just thoughts!
george
The question of why this should be so is entirely another matter! WAIT and SEE crossed Africa in frying temperatures and used very little water. Similarly the REAAC 'test to destruction' in East Africa required 'very little water'. Moving onto the thirties the Light Car & Cyclecar test of a '33 Kestrel included a run up the notorios trials hill known as Park Rash which was the main obstacle in the London- Edinburgh Trial. ''An effortless climb was made with a passenger on board and the car pulled its way lustily right to the top of the Upper Rash -- about a two mile climb in all--without having given the driver any paangs or flying any distress signals in the shape of pinking or boiling'' Park Rash has a maaximim gradient of one in three and a half!
Coming more down to earth I well remember taking about 6 hours to get from Torquey to Bristol via a a20 mile traffic jam on notorious the Exeter bypass. 'This was in a CC Bradford. I had the foresight to run the 20 miles with one side of the bonnet open and the bugger ne'er got past warm! The verge was littered with vehicles old and new (early 60's stuff like ford consuls , Rover 90's etc etc) boiling like buggery. This provided reasonable proof that it is not a shortage of cooling air coming into the radiator but a build up of solid hot air trapped under the bonnet that stuffs things up so to speak - presumably this is why many cars haad vents in the bonnet sides,
The other reason for an electric fan is, I think, because even with the best care & attention the water passages in the pots and heads will be of smaller size than when made 70 or more years ago due to the gradual build up of solid 'crud' that is vertualy impossible to remove. The African test cars and the Kestrel mentioned above would of course have had brand new pots and heads.
just thoughts!
george
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Re: Long Two running temperature
George,
The water was different in those days, it did not have all the additives in it. Also people were a lot thinner!
The water was different in those days, it did not have all the additives in it. Also people were a lot thinner!
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Here you go Barry.
If you neede anymore photos or dimensions let me know. Tony.
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Tony - Where do you have the rudder mounted then ?
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Thats big enough to take off with! I think one of; the more modern electric fans with cowling and pancake motor would probably fit between top hose and rad on a seven . On eight or bradford it could go between rad & grille and blow rather than suck.
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Re: Long Two running temperature
I agree entirely. I looked at the available space behind the radiator, and there's about 8" of vertical space in which you could fit a small modern fan as George suggests.George wrote:Thats big enough to take off with! I think one of; the more modern electric fans with cowling and pancake motor would probably fit between top hose and rad on a seven.
It may be some time in the future when I open myself up to such ridicule again!! (nudge, nudge, wink, wink)
Tony.
P.S. What about the ingenuity factor, of using what's around in a specific timeframe?
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Tony - Not sure if you realise that you are most certainly related to Mr Clements !P.S. What about the ingenuity factor, of using what's around in a specific timeframe?
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Tony, definately full marks for the ingenuity factor plus a few extra for an erection of the Forth Bridge proportions!
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Joking aside Barry, if you decide to source a suitable modern 'pancake' fan that will fit easily, then I'm sure we'd all like to see what you bought and from where.
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Re: Long Two running temperature
Hi Tony
I don't think anyone could accuse your set up as being "under" engineered! If it works, then it would suggest only slight assistance is needed, so I will look for something as small as possible. For the time being, I'll just hide an additional wire in the new loom ready to connect onto.
Thanks for the advice, Barry
I don't think anyone could accuse your set up as being "under" engineered! If it works, then it would suggest only slight assistance is needed, so I will look for something as small as possible. For the time being, I'll just hide an additional wire in the new loom ready to connect onto.
Thanks for the advice, Barry