CC oil filter

[Andrew Eales]

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Hi,

I am having a bit of trouble getting an oil filter for my CC, the club spares have sent a cartridge type open ended at both ends which included 2 rubber seals and a large circlip.

The one that came off contained a large spring and a canister type filter that was closed at the back end except for a hole to allow the retaining bolt to pass through.

I have a photo which I will try and attach. Can anyone advise me if I have an altered oil system from a previous owner or am I asking for the incorrect product. The one fitted has a central metal tube to carry the retaining bolt so is effectively sealed at the back end like a cup. Thanks for your help.

[Andrew Eales]

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Here is a different view. !

[Forumadmin]

Andrew,
In response to your email I have no knowledge of Bradford oil filters so defer to those that have!

[Drummond Black]

Andrew,

Welcome to the Jowett Car Club and especially to the Scottish Section

I know of four other Bradford's in Scotland, Two on the road in the Edinburgh area, and two in the Highlands that are being rebuilt. To my recollection they are all CB models, however I will ask if any of the Bradford owners, some do not use the forum regularly, have any CC knowledge. Where did your Bradford originate from ??

Cheers

Drummond Black
Scottish Section Chairman - Javelin & Jupiter Owner

[Andrew Eales]

It was lying in an old steading next door to where I live. Mechanically its pretty good, and all it needed to start was fresh fuel, and the points cleaned. As I was having trouble finding a new filter I popped the old one back in with fresh oil,just to see if it would start, but the oil pressure gauge went off the scale so its clearly chocked. I only ran it for seconds.

As its been under cover for many years the metal work is all fairly good with only one small patch of welding required on one chassis leg. The down side is the wood work which has been completely devoured by the worms. I'll sort the chassis and running gear first then decide what to do beyond that.

Cheers

Andrew

[Jack]

It was lying in an old steading next door to where I live. Mechanically its pretty good, and all it needed to start was fresh fuel, and the points cleaned. As I was having trouble finding a new filter I popped the old one back in with fresh oil,just to see if it would start, but the oil pressure gauge went off the scale so its clearly chocked. I only ran it for seconds.

As its been under cover for many years the metal work is all fairly good with only one small patch of welding required on one chassis leg. The down side is the wood work which has been completely devoured by the worms. I'll sort the chassis and running gear first then decide what to do beyond that.

Cheers

Andrew

Hi Andrew,

I can't help you with the oil filter question, but Paul Beaumont was asking in the last issue of the Jowetteer about interest in replacement wood frames and I think it was for Bradfords - it may be worth contacting him to register your interest.

Jack.

[Drummond Black]

Andrew,

If we can get a filter catalogue then with dimensions should be able to locate a Part No or at least a replacement. Pity you missed the Glamis event two weeks ago. bet you would have got one there. Why not try Dingbro in Perth or Dundee ? They are quite good at coming up with the goods.

The next autojumble / rally I will be attending, with other members from the Scottish Section will be Biggar on 14th August. There is usually good selections of that kind of goodies. Feed me all the dimensions and a pic of each end. I already have a good idea what it looks like and by mid aug, if you are still stuck, we will have a hunt at Biggar.

Regards woodwork, Jack is correct, Paul Beaumont, through another member who is a skilled joiner is starting to organise Bradford Body frames, doors, floors etc. His e-mail and tel no will be found in the Jowetteer as he is Bradford Registrar. I know that your package is on the way to you from the Membership Sec.

We have another recent new member who is rebuilding a Bradford and he lives just outside Aviemore and when I say the body in mid May he was progressing well with working out all the various shapes.

I have a rough idea where you live as I used to run a parcel delivery Co and that was part of our area. Do you go through the white pillars beside the metal fence ????

Keep in touch

Drummond

[Andrew Eales]

You have got the address spot on Drummond !

It was the Steading at the top of the drive that the Bradford was lying in. We live in the cottage behind.
I did initially think about making a pick up out of it, but even the front frame was so rotten it just collapsed.
However I always fancied having a go at building a wooden car body so might give that a try for a year or two, then treat the chassis to a new van frame. The front and rear doors are at least good so they can be stored away. The whole lot was about to be scrapped so at least I managed to save the rolling chassis.
It would be interesting to find out the price of a new frame just in case a change of plan occurs.

Cheers

[george garside]

the 'c'lub spares' filter element looks right to me so it could be that the element you are replacing was incorrect . A vauxhall viva ha/hb filter element and housing (shorter than the original vokes veriety) will fit and elements may be more readily available.

george

[Andrew Eales]

Thanks George,
Just for clarity the photo's I have posted are of the filter that came off the engine.
If I put the one the club sent to me in the housing what would stop the oil entering the centre of the filter and just exiting at the open end of the filter and returning to the engine unfiltered ? Should it have a housing at the rear end to carry the central bolt and to force the oil through the filter before returning to the engine ? The filter that came off, has this housing 'built in' to its body unless this dismantles and is re useable ?

[Andrew Eales]

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I have just looked at the filter system on my Nuffield Tractor which uses very similar filters to the club spares one. Its uses a pressure plate at the rear of the filter to prevent the oil passing straight through. On my current system there is only the spring pushing against the filter body. I'll attach a pdf diagram of the tractor system to see if someone can confirm this is what I should have on the Bradford - in which case I appear to be missing the 'pressure plate' ? - the plot thickens !

I have no idea whether that attachment has worked ? it is a pdf file ! the pressure plate is part No 3 in the drawing.

[Drummond Black]

Have you tried starting the engine WITHOUT the oil filter in the can. Refit the can and see if the oil pressure stabilises. Only recommended for a few seconds. !!!!

Drummond

[Andrew Eales]

I have found a company called flexolite who sell adapter plates which allow modern spin on filters to be used.

They have 2 kits for Jowetts, one is for Vokes filters and one is for Tecalemit, anyone have any idea which one i should have on my CC engine ?

The filter housing was a dark green colour when I took it off if that helps.

I tried making a pressure plate this evening using parts from the old filter but it needs cones to centralise the filter element which proved beyond my technical ability !

[Robin Fairservice]

I understand that the Vokes Filter casing was green, and the Tecalemit Brown. I have fitted the Flexolite adaptor to my Javelin, but they had to change the adaptor bolt to suit my engine. As I supplied them with photos I think that they understand what the problem was.

The NZ club know which filters would suit the Vokes casing, and perhaps could help with any missing parts. You have to be a member to buy parts from them but they are not expensive with their low dollar.

[Andrew Eales]

Thanks Robin,

I might just get the adapter as I have already spent about £30 on potential filters, and it seems to be good money after bad at the moment !
Does your adapter bolt go all the way through the filter casing and the housing with a nut on both ends (originally) or does it screw into the housing head ?
Mine is a long bolt with a nut on both ends.
It sounds like it is probably a Vokes type so far.