V 8 JAVELIN FOR SALE

[Greg Jackson]

On e/bay a 1949 Javelin for sale starting bid £10,000a lot of work done to this car would be nice to see a club member get this car, i would put crome strips back on and Jowett Javelin badge, and maybe less flass wheels

[george garside]

Ugh! whatever it is and no matter how much clever hard work has gone into it it is not a Jowett other than in shape. From the description it has meaant butchering a half decent Javelin which as the guy has said is pretty rare anyway! Why can't thesse rodders sstick to plentiful 'classics' like ford pops.

george

[Forumadmin]

Also look at http://www.britishv8.org/Other/PatCargan.htm

The last comment is an understatement

Most of the original chrome trim has been shaved.

I am also a bit worried about the geometry of the panhard rod in its ability to follow accurately from full bump to full drop. But hey it is not a rally car

[Tim Neville]

Re. George's "ugh".
You don't have to like it, but I've said it before and I'll say it again - this kind of work is the sort of thing, with others, that will put and keep the Jowett name in front of a wider range of people. And you've got to acknowledge the imagination, engineering skill and effort that goes into producing these cars.
If JCC similarly advertised widely an event showing say 30 Jowetts, and an event showing 20 Jowetts plus 'Super Jowett nitro- burning mega hot rods', I bet I know which event would attract more people.
I like it - for what it is.

[Jack]

I like it. But won't be buying for £10K. Unfortunately for the seller the time and money spent on customising it will not be easily recouped.

We've had a discussion about this car on here before. My personal view is that he has kept a Javelin in some shape or form on the road. He's done a decent job of it, clearly, and we need more people who are prepared to rebuild cars - even in this form.

I've thought a lot about customising a Javelin, and I think there's easier routes than this, but he has got the car he wanted out of it. Whether he will find someone else who wants the same car enough to pay that kind of price is yet to be seen.

And I bet it makes a great noise...

Jack.

[Greg Jackson]

I like it but would not have this one . I did go after the one with a Rover V8 fitted. I think it better to do this than see it go for scrap there is a lot of Javelins about that will never see the road again and others near the end of there days. Good for him this car and others like it will never go for scrap. Long live Jowett in any form.

[Greg Jackson]

I like it. But won't be buying for £10K. Unfortunately for the seller the time and money spent on customising it will not be easily recouped.

We've had a discussion about this car on here before. My personal view is that he has kept a Javelin in some shape or form on the road. He's done a decent job of it, clearly, and we need more people who are prepared to rebuild cars - even in this form.

I've thought a lot about customising a Javelin, and I think there's easier routes than this, but he has got the car he wanted out of it. Whether he will find someone else who wants the same car enough to pay that kind of price is yet to be seen.

And I bet it makes a great noise...

Jack.

Very Good at what he does, Hope a Jowett get it

[Greg Jackson]

Re. George's "ugh".
You don't have to like it, but I've said it before and I'll say it again - this kind of work is the sort of thing, with others, that will put and keep the Jowett name in front of a wider range of people. And you've got to acknowledge the imagination, engineering skill and effort that goes into producing these cars.
If JCC similarly advertised widely an event showing say 30 Jowetts, and an event showing 20 Jowetts plus 'Super Jowett nitro- burning mega hot rods', I bet I know which event would attract more people.
I like it - for what it is.

SPOT ON

[Forumadmin]

Maybe, but go to Goodwood Revival and you will see even more people. What we do not want to happen is for the majority of Javelins to go this way. Customizing is a great project for someone, but it is personal to them. I doubt if many othres want to buy such a customized car, but let us see if this does go for £10000.

Unless the selling price of Javelins goes up the cost of restoring them does not make it worthwhile, thus anything that does that puts them out of reach of the Custom boys.

[Jack]

There's not enough hotrodders in the world to modify the majority of Javelins.

If nothing else, they seem to be buying cars in need of restoration, and this is how they restore them.

I'd rather they took a car in need of restoration and did this to it than a car in need of restoration sat in someone's back garden for years and rotted into the ground, to end up beyond economical repair.

If there are thousands of hotrodders that want to do this to the cars, why not? They aren't destroying a piece of history. If we want to see concours original cars then we already have dozens of those. There are hundreds (if not a few thousands) of Javelins out there, and if this is what is required to put them on the road, I don't really see a huge loss. They're not destroying unique cars, they are restoring otherwise low value cars that market forces show nobody is paying good money for.

I'd quite happily buy it, and drive it regularly and enjoy it. But I wouldn't pay £10K for it. I am sure many others would feel the same.

Jack.

[Forumadmin]

Would anybody like to hazard a guess at how many Javelins there are out there?

How many does the club know about? The register shows about 180. There may be a few others, but some in the register may not be restorable, so pessimistically there may be only 200 left, optimistically perhaps 300.

[Jack]

Would anybody like to hazard a guess at how many Javelins there are out there?

How many does the club know about? The register shows about 180. There may be a few others, but some in the register may not be restorable, so pessimistically there may be only 200 left, optimistically perhaps 300.

I'd say the club probably knows about 50% of the cars that are actually out there vaguely on the road. So up that figure to 360. Then allow for all the cars that are sat in yards, fields, garages and other places, remember this is global, and I think you could probably find another several hundred cars which are restorable given the time and inclination - though many of those wouldn't be economical at current prices.

So perhaps a thousand out there total. So far we've only really seen 3 or 4 hotrod Javelins, and about half of those seem to be well thought out and executed.

I don't see the loss - another Javelin is on the road and running. Whether it is running as a completely concours example, or run as a hotrod by someone that has heavily modified it, it is another car on the road.

Javelins are not so rare that they are destroying something that will never be seen on the roads again, there are plenty of them out there, and many in original condition to share with people interested in seeing a completely original car. There will always be enthusiasts who want to keep the car completely original and unmolested, and those people will be the ones that the historians will go to for reference and to see how the car was when manufactured.

There is a vast difference between taking a perfectly good car which is on the road with an MOT and cutting it to pieces and modifying it so that it can't be put back to original, and taking a car which otherwise would have been scrapped and rebuilding it to suit personal taste with a huge number of modifications.

Ultimately, for as long as Javelins change hands on ebay for £500-£1000 for a tired but structurally ok car, we are going to see this done. They are an affordable car to modify. When they become more rare, the price will go up. Or it won't. Fashion, demand, and the number of potential customers will decide their value in future. It is very hard for us as a club to control prices to try and avoid people doing this to the cars.

Jack.

[Greg Jackson]

It seems to me that some Jowett members would rather see Javelins to for scrap , The Javelin with a Rover v8 fitted fell apart when loading onto a trailer and now is a very nice car. I see a lot of Javelins rotting away in gardens that is what upsets me , Greg Jackson

[aj4cks]

Jowetts, 'Never heard of them but love the cars' - response from numerous visitors at the Wilmslow show where myself and brother Greg exhibited our Jupiters. The name is becoming increasingly obscure. Raising the profile of the marque is essential and we need to attract young blood. I side with the view better a hot rod than another rotting Javelin that will never touch tarmac again.
A bridge too far for me was the guy in America who sold off all the body panels, running gear and engine from a Jupiter as he wanted the chassis to fabricate his own car and power with a V8.
What about the Florino Jupiter. A fabricated body on Jupiter chassis, engine and running gear. What a great Job surely no complaint there from members.
Tony J

[Tony Fearn]

What a great Job surely no complaint there from members