Josephine rebuild

The first rebuild after 65 years on the road. A record of the renovation of almost every part of a Jupiter.

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The headlamps.

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Eventually found the original headlights so that I could scavenge the fixing rings and chrome rings that hold the glass/silver reflectors.
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I will need to figure out a replacement rubber ring for the reflector.
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Then tried fitting the newly purchased halogen British Pre Focus bulbs but they were too long being 67mm long rather than 58mm so when inserted they were at an angle because they hit the tripod. So then tested my stash of filament bulbs to find two that would fit. Interesting some had .6 ohm filaments and some 1.2 and some 1.6 ohm so with different lumens I presume.
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The new reflectors brought over by Scott from USA were also slightly smaller (2.3 inches) than the original (2.4) from back to the centre of the bolt that holds the shade on the tripod. This added to the issue of the longer bulb.
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Bonnet wiring loom.

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Completed the rebuilding of the reflector housings
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The square washers holding the tripod also needed filing so the inner ring could sit on the reflector properly. I needed to make up new bolts and springs for the adjusters after chasing out the threads. The cheese head bolts were filed down slightly to fit through the entrance holes. But they are better than the original dome head as they give more of a slot. Liberably sprayed with white lithium grease.
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The wiring loom was then made up with extra cables for indicators , spot and fog lamps and earth returns to all components.. Covered with heat shrink armoured weave. Snce LED lamps will be used as side lights and indicators some weight was saved in the gauge of the wire. It is not recommended to use LED in the flat glass PF770 headlights as you loose focus.
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Engine in.

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Amy helped lift the engine in and had the brilliant idea of using the car lift for the engine. Mind you it set me thinking on the design of a tailor made engine hoist to transport the engine under the bonnet at the correct angle, now that I am not fit enough to lift them out like I used to.
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I have modified the water inlet flanges so that I can use straight pipe to the aluminium radiator so that when in far flung reaches of the globe I am not stuck for replacement hose. They are a larger bore and make it easier to fit the pipes.
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The exhaust pipe needed a bracket welding onto it . will adjust its position today.
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and I also had to cut off part of the flange on the chassis crossmember modification used to drop the gearbox out easily . p[ossibly this is because the engine mounting seem to be a couple of mm thicker than the previous ones.
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The exhaust was fitted and some pictures to show the Jup exhaust that is different to the Jav.
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i also took a couple of pictures for Claudio our new member in Brazil who is missing these hinges.
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Pedals

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Renovating the pedals turned out to be a longer job than expected. The shaft and the pedals were worn and both pedals needed some bending to get them to run true through the centre of their holes in the bulkhead. The brake pedal bulkhead hole also needed to be elongated to fit the pedal. Maybe another judicious bend may have made that unnecessary but it only required a little cutting.

The wear in the shaft was rectified with some weld and then turning down to the 5/8th diameter required. Perhaps some new 5/8th shaft would have been easier but I did not have any. After welding the split pin holes also needed redrilling. that had to be done with cobalt drills as the metal was hard.

The pedal arm bosses were reamed out to make them parallel and a split tube of the correct thickness to fill the gap was made. So after starting off with 3 cm of sideways movement it is now down to less than 5mm. No more squeaking as the arm rubs on the bulkhead when the clutch or brake is depressed.

it took a dozen trial fixings to get everything satisfactory but hopefully good for another 60 years.

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The red microswitch activates when the clutch is depressed and is used to control the overdrive to act as a sort of preselector.

Scott asked how I filled the overdrive. Well here is the plug half way up like the diff.
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Cleaning, painting and welding crack in radiator.

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First I connected the master cylinder linkage. Note that the upper spring is not on the pedal (where it was originally designed to go) but pulls back on the master cylinder piston. In addition a second spring is attached to the other side and back to the hole that locates the brake switch. Reason, in my experience most brake failure is caused by the piston not returning so not allowing fluid to return. If the spring is on the pedal arm you may not notice when the piston does not return. But if both these springs fail then the pedal will drop.
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The brake light switch closing point was adjusted.
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Next I found various parts that need putting on that go from under the car. Reversing switch used for the overdrive and reversing lights. Yes I have a modern LED cluster that I am going to attempt to make retractable.
Clutch and gearbox operating rods. Pedal rubber mounts. These were cleaned and painted.

Then the radiator needed cleaning and a temporary filling made with plastic metal was removed and the crack and hole welded up. This had been caused by the gearbox operating lever rubbing on the rad. This had been caused by incorrect location of the top hoses.
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Re: Josephine rebuild

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Re: Josephine rebuild

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Today was spent renovating the the clutch operating rod that need some sleeves to combat the wear in the eyes.
Then fitting the springs and adjusting the clutch microswitch. The pedal return spring was attached on a tab I made up to go around the rod. Previously I had the pedal return spring on the eye above the shaft which I think attached to a bolt on the floor. Anybody know where it should attach?
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Then fitting and adjusting the reversing switch and fitting the gearbox operating rods.
Then spent some time trying to find some 90 deg brass elbows to connect up the new flexi petrol pipes (from JOAC spares) to the DelLorto carbs. Hopefully Scott can source in the USA. One end of the elbow needs to be 1/2inch 24 TPI male thread to fit into the flexi pipe union.
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Re: Josephine rebuild

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The clutch rod has a tab with a hole in it where it passes through the pedal. The spring (originally much larger in diameter than the ones in your picture) hooks to that tab and to where you have your collection of springs attached. It seems you have springs attached there, but it's a bit obscured in the picture.

McMaster will be the supplier for the brass union; none of my locals carry 5/16" as it's not common household stuff.
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Clutch pedal spring

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Thanks Scott. That is the same as I have, just there are two other springs used to set up the Microswitch lever plus an extra spring on the foot pedal lever just to return the pedal up the last cm.

Funny how the pedal lever has that eye for a spring though.
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Josephine Electricery.

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Acknowledgement to Geoff McAuley who used the phrase, but this post is about the 50 years of using Josephine and the modifications to the standard electrics that are now employed on the car. Whilst there is always a discussion about restoring it to how it came out of the factory, I have decided to sympathetically include mods that I have previously used for touring, rallying and racing to make the car safer and more reliable.
There are five parts with some pictures of the components and installation as well as snippets from the circuit diagram. Also included are hints on fault finding such complex circuits.
1. Earthing.
2. Power distribution.
3. Battery circuits.
4. Ignition circuits.
5. Relays

1.1 Separate earths.
Many electrical problems stem from the Jupiter chassis, sub-frame and aluminium body all being electrically separate, especially if they have been freshly painted. There is also the issue of galvanic corrosion. The solution I used for the many continental rallies, where reliability was paramount, was to separately earth every component and take the earth wires back to a common point directly connected to the engine earth point (one of the upper suspension bolts) where a cable from the battery was also connected.
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1.2 Cut-off switch
The earth cable from the battery is via a cut-off switch which was included after a loom issue when I first had the car and could be switched if any nasty smells or smoke were apparent.
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1.3 Negative earth
Negative earth was also employed as some components need such. This is not so necessary these days as most are available positive earth. The only real change for Josephine is in the clock. This mod is explained in the ‘Early Javelin Restoration’ topic.
1.4 Terminal blocks.
Apart from earth cables that go to various components under the bonnet, most other earth cables go to two terminal blocks under the dash.
1.5 Single battery.
The original was fitted with two 6v batteries. These I changed to a single 12 v in the 1960’s.
1.6 Fault finding.
Even without separate earths you always need to check the earth return. At least with this system you do not have to contend with rusty steel or corroded aluminium. A wire connected to the negative terminal to the battery is used for the negative probe of the meter and the positive probe can be put on the earth point of the component. If anything other than zero volts is present when the component is supposed to be switched on, then there is a problem. With the battery disconnected continuity of the earth can be checked particularly where it is carried through connectors.
2.1 The positive feed.
Like the original, the battery cable goes to the starter solenoid on the bulkhead where the 500 amp cable continues to the starter through the relay contacts. Pressing the push button will test this circuit. Obviously make sure everyone is clear as the engine might start or be in gear.
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2.2 The ammeter, power cut off and fuse board.
Power from the battery passes through the ammeter and another cut-off switch to the battery power distribution fuse board. This board has 10 blade fuses of different current capacity which are monitored by a clever LED circuit. If any fuse blows the relevant LED lights up. Much easier than taking out and inspecting every fuse!
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2.3 The alternator.
Power from the alternator is fed via a 50 amp fuse to the ammeter side of the cut-off switch. Thus the ammeter will show a positive current if the battery is charging.
2.4 The discharge lamp.
On the dashboard this red warning lamp will glow with the ignition switched on and with the alternator not charging. Unlike a dynamo this is unlikely to occur with the engine running at low speed. The ammeter will also show negative charge if the alternator is not charging.
2.5 The ignition switch and ignition relay.
Fuse 1 feeds the ignition switch whose output feeds the discharge lamp, the starter push button, the electric petrol pump (which should start ticking), and the STEATH electronic ignition box of tricks. To reduce the load on the switch a lead also energises the Ignition relay that supplies a second block (see section 4) of 10 fuses via fuse 2. The ignition relay clicks when the ignition is switched on.
2.6 The starter.
The solenoid is energised via the starter push button with the ignition switched on. On Josephine power to the ignition switch is different as detailed above.
3. The battery fuse block.
10 fuses supply battery power to various circuits.
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F1. 25A. Ignition switch
F2. 15A. Ignition relay supplies power to ignition fuse block
F3. 10A. -Side light relay ( energised by the side position on the ignition switch) which feeds the 6 panel LEDs, front and rear sidelights, number plate light, the low intensity red and white LEDs on rear clusters.
- This circuit also feeds the rear fog light switch through to the fog warning lamp and high intensity red lights in the clusters. These lamps are also fed by the reverse relay when in reverse. The rear clusters are connected through a multipoint connector.
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F4. 10A. – main beam headlight relay energised via the floor dip switch and headlamp switch position on the ignition switch. The relay output feeds the main beam warning light and the headlamps via the nearside bonnet connectors.
F5. 10A. – dipped headlight relay ( as for main beam)
F6. 10A. – Fog lamps are fed by relay energised by a feed from the sidelight relay and fog lamp switch. Normally head and dip are off in fog but can be on for driving on twisty roads.
- Spot lamps are fed by relay energised by a feed from the dipswitch (dip position) and the spot lamp switch. This gives a near and long field of view suitable for straight roads but requires switching off spot lamps to oncoming traffic.
F7. 5A. - Brake lights are fed via brake switch and multipoint connector. When the brake switch is activated it also feeds the rear fog relay that switches on the high intensity red LEDs in the clusters. The circuit has a flasher unit to further alert those behind and make it easy to distinguish between brake and side lights. The flasher does not operate the original brake lights which are continuous.
Click this link for a short video of their operation.
F8. 5A. – Reading lamp via switch.
F9. 5A. – USB power and cigar lighter socket via fuse and switch for all those modern devices.
F10. 20A. – Radiator fan relay which feeds radiator fan. The relay is energised by the front panel adjustable thermostat and the fan switch which receives power via Fuse 19 which also feeds the oil and water temperature gauges. This means the rad fan is switched off with the ignition so if the engine is hot it would be advisable to switch the ignition back on to allow the engine to cool. It has been known for the fan to drain the battery in very hot conditions otherwise.
4. IGNITION FUSE BLOCK
F11. 5A. – Petrol gauge and then to tank sender.
F12. 5A. – Brake switch to brake lights and rear fog relay.
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Are the connectors to the brake switch. A second spare switch has been installed as I have found the microswitch type to be more reliable. Currently it is not connected.
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F13. 5A.- Indicator switch each side has a separate flasher relay that feeds the front and rear LED cluster. The green warning lamp is also on each circuit and both circuits are energised by the hazard double pole switch
Click this link for a short video of their operation.
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F14. 20A. – Horn relay power feeds the twin tone horns.
F15. 10A. – heater via rheostat , yellow warning lamp
- Washer via push button.
- Wiper via switch, blue warning lamp.
F16. spare
F17. 5A. – Horn relay energising circuit by the dash horn push button or the steering column horn push.
F18. 5A.- reverse switch and relay. Normally open position gives output to high intensity red lights on rear clusters when reverse engaged.
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-Normally closed position feeds the overdrive switch which energises the overdrive relay which is also fed by this fuse so that the overdrive is engaged and lights the orange warning lamp. This relay output also goes to the clutch relay which if the clutch is not depressed latches the overdrive on. Note the overdrive will not come on if the reverse switch thinks it is engaged.
-To switch into overdrive the overdrive switch only needs to be momentarily switched. To switch out of overdrive the clutch should be momentarily depressed or the clutch fully engaged to change down a gear as well as switching out of overdrive. This arrangement gives some flexibility on gear/overdrive selection and is found to be much faster and easier during rallying, particularly with the torquey Jowett engine. The overdrive can be held in by leaving the overdrive switch down and thus on.
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Two clutch switches have been installed. The original reliable microswitch pulled by springs and a new button type that closes when pedal returns. The latter is currently employed.

F19. 5A. Temperature panel. As outlined in Fuse 10 above this fuse feeds power to the fan switch and thermostat. It also feeds the water temperature gauge and sender in each head via a switch which toggles between them. This arrangement is useful to see differences in temperature perhaps caused by burning valve or leaking gasket. It also can show issues when compared to the header tank temperature gauge. The oil temperature gauge with its sender in the oil thermostat output pipe can be used in conjunction with the oil sump temperature. The oil thermostat by-passes the oil cooler if the oil temperature is low.
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The rheostat is for accurately adjusting the boiling point on the gauge as I find the senders can differ.
F20. 5A. – clock which has been switched to negative earth by changing polarity of diode in it. Note the clock only works with the ignition on but this saves its precious contacts. So one could think of it as one of these modern elapsed engine hours gauges!
5. Relays.
Originally the Jupiter only had two relays if you ignore the two in the regulator. They were the starter solenoid and the horn relay. They were there because otherwise the switches would burn out. The starter takes 500A and the horn about 30A.
I have also had problems with some other Jowett switches over the years and long ago started to use more relays. I also needed some quite complex switching for the lights when rallying. I also used microswitches for control of overdrive and reversing so relays were necessary to switch the currents required.
The ones I use now are rated at 30A and have a normally closed and normally open output. They are also pluggable so are easily changed, although in 30 years I have not had one fail.
Here is the list.
Ignition, Sidelight, Headlight, Dipped beam, Fog light, Spot light and radiator fan are on the battery power.

Horn, Flasher nearside, Flasher offside, Flasher for brake and reverse high intensity cluster LEDs, Brake (used for high intensity rear light), Reverse (uses both NO and NC), Clutch (used for overdrive latch) and Overdrive are on ignition power.

The SCHEMATIC.

Here is the complete schematic. I have some of the subsystems in separate pages which I may upload. It is best viewed by clicking this link and opening in a separate window.. Clicking this thumbnail brings up the Gallery item where there are two resolutions to choose from.
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Testing the components and cooling system

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I discovered I had put the switch panel in incorrectly so it had to be carefully returned back to the front of the dash. Why did I put it in that way around.... must have been a bad day.
My excuse is that the instrument panel has its screws (the big brass ones) at the back, so my brain thought so must the switch panel be as well! It is quite difficult to get those screws in from the back. :oops:

The old indicator warning lamp is now employed to warn that the rear fog lights or the reversing lamps or the brake lights are on. Interestingly some relays oscillate and make a din if the rear fog lights are on without the ignition being on. Why this is I have yet to work out but it is a useful feature which I hope does not blow the car up.
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The heater too refused to work. Cause..a sticking fan. So after three attempts by taking off the front cowl and replacing and bending the fan blades, all ran smoothly.
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The wiper motor too refused to work initially and required its gearbox to be taken off and the cable moved too and fro. I was also confused by the fact that the wiper indicator LED also did not work. This required some investigation and eventual removal. A new one will be ordered but meanwhile the brake fluid warning lamp is a substitute. It is quite important to have a wiper warning lamp as the mechanism can stick and burn out the motor. It is even more prone to do this with a poor battery or bad charging circuit.
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The washer bottle was cleaned and its operation tested. Then installed.
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The panel lamps were replaced by LEDs . It has been a long time since I replaced a lamp and it took me a while to work out the swing arm that held a button terminal onto the lamp feed. I also destroyed a couple of the LED bulbs through twisting too tightly. Not used to this new technology.
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Note I still have to refurbish the capillary oil temp and water temp gauges after buying some tubing at the NEC.
Also replaced the engine earth strap.
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Fixed up the fan on the rad and the hoses.
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Note the use of aluminium reducer so that all rubber pipe is straight.

Sorted the water pump (one of Drummond's higher capacity ones) and fan. Fitted the thermostat with circlip.
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Fitted in the modified rear support.
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The capillary bulb for the thermostatic control was inserted into the pipe. The fine capillary is protected by the plastic pipe.
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The dash wood panel was rubbed down and lacquered.

and the day finished with a gin and tonic....
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Rad support, petrol pipe, fan support mod.

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Delayed start today as I had a few other things to do.
I decided the fan support needed some thrust supports to hold the rubber mount, so i welded some sides on.
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The rad has really never been properly fitted in 50 years so I designed a plate to hold the lower and upper rubber sandwich. It would have helped if this had been put in before I fitted the rad. It was a bit fiddly!
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The brass elbows arrived from California thanks to Scott. So after sawing off the existing olive a new one was fitted to hold the elbow.
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Re: Josephine rebuild

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Keith,
Can you tell me more about Drummond's high capacity water pump? What was done to increase the capacity? Are new castings and impeller involved, or has the drive ratio been changed, etc.

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All is made new after redesign by engineer, I think using CAD.
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dash hardware, oil pipes, dynamator.

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Before I lost it I fitted the handle button that Bill Lock had given me and the lock to the glove box door.
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Spent some time finding the oil pressure pipe and gauges. Fitted the pressure pipe. But the gauge has to wait for me to do the capillary.
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The fitted the oil cooler pipes with the thermostatic bypass using Doughty washers. Note the oil temp sender unit in the bolt.
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Then onto fitting the Dynamator . The new rev counter gearbox was trial fitted. A 9/32 inch drill was required to clean out the hole to fit the drive. The pulley from the alternator previously fitted (which had before that come from a standard dynamo) was cleaned up and fitted.
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The support bracket was taken off the old water pump but found to be too short. The new pump has a longer inlet pipe than standard (which is good because it means there is less likelihood of the Contact Breaker connection fouling it). Especially if an upwards facing connection is fitted or the oil pump gearing is not correctly aligned.
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I checked ability to fit fan belt and the angle of the fan. So a decision was made not to shorten but to extend the bracket. So the welder was brought into action again. On trying to fit the bracket, the stud extruded itself having been stuck in with Araldite. So the oil filler was taken off and a Helicoil fitted. Lesson learnt. Check all threads when using an unknown casting!
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Also took off the rear dynamo support bracket from the old engine and fitted that.
I had fitted two connectors to carry the 50 Amps but the Dynamator only had one spade, unlike my old alternator. So a bit of soldering was required and some shrink sleeving employed.

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