1953 Javelin Deluxe for auction this coming Saturday 28th January 2017 at Anglia Car Auctions - Kings Lynn - looks to be a sound entry level car, recent expenditure includes rebuilt carburettors, rebuilt brakes & new tyres - Maroon with brown leather interior - fairly well guided at £3,900 - £4,900 - web link to auction catalogue / listing below
http://angliacarauctions.co.uk/en/class ... t-javelin/
Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
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Chris Spencer
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Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
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Nick Webster
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Sold for £4830 including premium.
Out of interest I went along to view this car on the Friday before the sale. Although in general the car was in need of "improvement" the basic body structure had much to commend it. I note in the vehicle records that it has been maroon since at least 1982 but the paint is now showng signs of distress in terms of water blisters and it will definitely need a re-spray. The paint was chipped off in places revealing what - given the lighting restrictions - looked like Golden Sand. Funnily enough it also appeared not to have been rubbed down in these places so the maroon paint has done well actually. If I am reading my Jowetteer records correctly, this could be the third owner in nearly as many years after a very long period with the same owner. This could be a really nice car. I hope the new owner avails himself of the knowledge of the JCC. For example I noted that the water pump has had attention, but has been fitted incorrectly.
Nick
Out of interest I went along to view this car on the Friday before the sale. Although in general the car was in need of "improvement" the basic body structure had much to commend it. I note in the vehicle records that it has been maroon since at least 1982 but the paint is now showng signs of distress in terms of water blisters and it will definitely need a re-spray. The paint was chipped off in places revealing what - given the lighting restrictions - looked like Golden Sand. Funnily enough it also appeared not to have been rubbed down in these places so the maroon paint has done well actually. If I am reading my Jowetteer records correctly, this could be the third owner in nearly as many years after a very long period with the same owner. This could be a really nice car. I hope the new owner avails himself of the knowledge of the JCC. For example I noted that the water pump has had attention, but has been fitted incorrectly.
Nick
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KenR
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Hope to use the forum for technical advice, general information and making contact with other Javelin owners. Intend to join JCCUK. - Given Name: Ken
Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Hi there, this is just to let you know that I am the new owner of this 1953 Javelin (YMK 286)...it arrived yesterday on a transporter, in very wet conditions. Battery was flat, so had to enlist some unsuspecting helpers to push it round to the back lane and into my garage. My wife has now 'driven' it further than I have.
An overnight charge of the battery and a general drying off enabled me to get it started and do an initial inspection. Although the paintwork is decidedly rough, the overall solidity and lack of rust seems remarkable for a 64 year old car.
(Same age as me, to within the week - a birthday present to myself!)
I have long been a fan of the Javelin - the first of my father's cars that I have any memory of - and finally decided to do the deed, despite having yet to sell the 1971 MGB roadster that I have been restoring for the last six years.
More anon, and I shall certainly welcome any technical advice - Nick, I would really appreciate further elaboration on the incorrectly assembled water pump. As a starter, it looks as if there is a problem with the charging system: continual discharge showing on the ammeter. No ignition light glow, but the odometer illuminates (the only panel light that does) so perhaps an ill fitted bulb, or swapped connection? Will have to investigate further before driving.....Dynamo, control box and general wiring, some of which is needless to say decidedly dodgy after so many years. So, plenty to be getting on with - my cheque and application for membership is now in the post!
Ken Ross
An overnight charge of the battery and a general drying off enabled me to get it started and do an initial inspection. Although the paintwork is decidedly rough, the overall solidity and lack of rust seems remarkable for a 64 year old car.
(Same age as me, to within the week - a birthday present to myself!)
I have long been a fan of the Javelin - the first of my father's cars that I have any memory of - and finally decided to do the deed, despite having yet to sell the 1971 MGB roadster that I have been restoring for the last six years.
More anon, and I shall certainly welcome any technical advice - Nick, I would really appreciate further elaboration on the incorrectly assembled water pump. As a starter, it looks as if there is a problem with the charging system: continual discharge showing on the ammeter. No ignition light glow, but the odometer illuminates (the only panel light that does) so perhaps an ill fitted bulb, or swapped connection? Will have to investigate further before driving.....Dynamo, control box and general wiring, some of which is needless to say decidedly dodgy after so many years. So, plenty to be getting on with - my cheque and application for membership is now in the post!
Ken Ross
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Keith Clements
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Good buy Ken.
Please use JowettTalk for any of your questions and to let us know your progress. When you have joined you can use the First Aid map to contact members close by. See this topic (which is in the members only area) for an intro.
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When you login you should see this. Note that you also need to update your Profile in JowettTalk , User Control Panel to avail yourself of these services. This link should take you through the process. Then request Jowett Club Services and say you are a member.
Please use JowettTalk for any of your questions and to let us know your progress. When you have joined you can use the First Aid map to contact members close by. See this topic (which is in the members only area) for an intro.
Note that Technical information is available to club members in the Gallery and also other parts of the Forum. It may take some time for me to be informed of your joining so please make sure I have enabled you on the website.
When you login you should see this. Note that you also need to update your Profile in JowettTalk , User Control Panel to avail yourself of these services. This link should take you through the process. Then request Jowett Club Services and say you are a member.
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Tony Fearn
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Hello Ken, and welcome to the Club.
We're all going to Peebles in late May. See the events section.
Tony.
We're all going to Peebles in late May. See the events section.
Tony.
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ian Howell
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From 1967 to '87 Black de Luxe Javelin MKC 1 (later 6469TU). (Sold as non-runner with tons of spares, 1987)
From about 1980 to '87 ex WD Jowett stationary engine. (Sold on)
From 1966 to present, 1930 Long Four Fabric Saloon, Dark Blue / Black.
Taken in a part-repaired state to the 2010 Centenary Rally, returned to a roadworthy state by 2013. - Given Name: Ian
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Ken: -
Welcome aboard! I had similar problems many years ago with the charging system on a Bradford I owned in the 1960s and later on one of my Javelins. I also saw a similar problem a year or so ago on a Javelin owned by Ian Roxborough.
On the back of the voltage regulator box (nearest the bulkhead panel), electrical connections are by means of brass strips that are rivetted to the various terminal posts on the front of the box.
These rivetted connections corrode internally over time and this causes invisible but serious dodgy connections.
A solution is to clean up the exposed surfaces around the rivet joints and then solder over them to give a good connection.
Actually, in my Bradford one of the strips had fractured. The crack was VERY hard to find but a soldered loop of wire across the crack fixed the problem.
Good luck with the recommissioning of your Javelin.
Welcome aboard! I had similar problems many years ago with the charging system on a Bradford I owned in the 1960s and later on one of my Javelins. I also saw a similar problem a year or so ago on a Javelin owned by Ian Roxborough.
On the back of the voltage regulator box (nearest the bulkhead panel), electrical connections are by means of brass strips that are rivetted to the various terminal posts on the front of the box.
These rivetted connections corrode internally over time and this causes invisible but serious dodgy connections.
A solution is to clean up the exposed surfaces around the rivet joints and then solder over them to give a good connection.
Actually, in my Bradford one of the strips had fractured. The crack was VERY hard to find but a soldered loop of wire across the crack fixed the problem.
Good luck with the recommissioning of your Javelin.
The devil is in the detail!
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Nick Webster
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Hello Ken and welcome to the club.
As related in the post above, I looked at what is now your car at King's Lynn. It was attracting quite a bit of interest - but Javelins tend to do that even though those gathered around them have no intention of buying.
The issue with the water punp is quite minor really. The two rear stays should not be tightened right down (as they are at present). The official workshop manual rather glosses over this point, but it is mentioned in the JCC Javelin Technical Manual which I think is available somewhere on the JCC website. If they are tight then it can lead to excessive vibration and at worst fracturing of the stays. Thakeray washers should be used between the stay and the block (if you are not familiar with these, thay are a fairly soft double spring washer. A Google search will bring them up). The JCC handbook mentions fastening the stays down with Oddie nuts which should not be tightened. Oddie nuts are are a slightly old fashioned alternative to the common or garden Nyloc nut. Personally, while I trust self locking nuts to be secure, it is on the basis that they are tight down; I do not trust them to not move on a random length of thread. Accordingly, the studs for my stays are drilled for split pins and I use catellated nuts. I would like to say I thought of this but I have seen others like this. I like quite a lot of give at the fan end - providing the hoses and the front stay are in good order (as appeared on your car) then there is no trouble at all.
One other thing I noticed was that the gear lever seemed abnormally stiff. Having followed the advertisements for this car before it turned up at Kings Lynn I have a feeing it may have been off the road for a while and "recomissioned" in the past couple of years. Perhaps it has not had the real TLC it deserves and an oil can around all the linkages will not go amiss. Alternatively - the linkage is adjustable and maybe someone has overdone it. It should not be that tight.
As you have already observed - pity about the paint, but I think that problem is more than out weighed by what in my brief examination seems to be a very good underframe. And that counts for so much with Javelins.
Good luck with the car.
Nick
As related in the post above, I looked at what is now your car at King's Lynn. It was attracting quite a bit of interest - but Javelins tend to do that even though those gathered around them have no intention of buying.
The issue with the water punp is quite minor really. The two rear stays should not be tightened right down (as they are at present). The official workshop manual rather glosses over this point, but it is mentioned in the JCC Javelin Technical Manual which I think is available somewhere on the JCC website. If they are tight then it can lead to excessive vibration and at worst fracturing of the stays. Thakeray washers should be used between the stay and the block (if you are not familiar with these, thay are a fairly soft double spring washer. A Google search will bring them up). The JCC handbook mentions fastening the stays down with Oddie nuts which should not be tightened. Oddie nuts are are a slightly old fashioned alternative to the common or garden Nyloc nut. Personally, while I trust self locking nuts to be secure, it is on the basis that they are tight down; I do not trust them to not move on a random length of thread. Accordingly, the studs for my stays are drilled for split pins and I use catellated nuts. I would like to say I thought of this but I have seen others like this. I like quite a lot of give at the fan end - providing the hoses and the front stay are in good order (as appeared on your car) then there is no trouble at all.
One other thing I noticed was that the gear lever seemed abnormally stiff. Having followed the advertisements for this car before it turned up at Kings Lynn I have a feeing it may have been off the road for a while and "recomissioned" in the past couple of years. Perhaps it has not had the real TLC it deserves and an oil can around all the linkages will not go amiss. Alternatively - the linkage is adjustable and maybe someone has overdone it. It should not be that tight.
As you have already observed - pity about the paint, but I think that problem is more than out weighed by what in my brief examination seems to be a very good underframe. And that counts for so much with Javelins.
Good luck with the car.
Nick
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Chris Spencer
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Re: Javelin for Auction 28/01/17
Ken - Welcome to the club & Javelin ownership - has you are finding out already there is a wealth of help & information amongst the forum & JCC members - don't hesitate to keep us posted of any further issues / progress that you make with the car - once sorted they are a very rewarding car - Chris
37 Jowett 8 HP - In many parts
52 Javelin Std 'Taxi Livery'
52 Javelin Std Patina project
52 Javelin Std Sports project
52 Jupiter SA - Original car - full restoration project
52 Javelin Std 'Taxi Livery'
52 Javelin Std Patina project
52 Javelin Std Sports project
52 Jupiter SA - Original car - full restoration project