Jupiter alloy radiators redux

[Srenner]

The radiators come with the correct male threaded port for the original sending unit. The original factory sending unit is a closed tube that uses a large tube nut (threads on the inside) to hold the unit inside the radiator port. This is visible in the picture showing the rear of the radiator.

Later (post 50's), non-original sending units would have threads on the outside of the tube nut that screw into a female port. This would require an adapter.
Cheers

[Andrew Henshall]

Has anyone heard from Scott Renner since 11 November regarding our orders for alloy Jupiter radiators?

I'm one of the Jupiter owners who placed an order with him for one of the five radiators, and have not heard anything from since sending him my last PM via JowettTalk a month ago. Very strange indeed, because Scott usually replied to all my previous PMs within a day or two. I also sent Scott an email a couple of weeks ago, but have received nothing back.

I'm concerned for his health; so if anyone has heard anything, please let me know.

Regards,

Andrew

[Srenner]

Andrew et al:

Sorry for the radio silence. I had issues logging into JT with associated email problems from JT that the Admin had to fix, then took a bit of a holiday. At the same time, KC was double checking the cost of UK made alloy radiators and that took longer than expected. To make things worse, I do not always log in when I scan JT for new posts and so did not see any PMs sent.

Just this week we decided to go with the US made rads, so I will be getting that back on track.

Cheers,
Scott

[Andrew Henshall]

Thanks Scott - glad that you are OK; I was worried!

Andrew

[Keith Clements]

There has been further discussion between myself and Scott on this subject as there was some misunderstanding.
The UK company offered to replicate the original Jupiter radiator in aluminium but with a more efficient core pattern than original. They did suggest that if the original honeycomb core was required they could do this, but in copper as per original. They also offered a cheaper alternative using an off the shelf aly core and without the curved and overlapping header tank but having all pipes/outlets the same as original. I focused on the aly rad to original design for a quote.

I had sent them detailed pictures and measurements of an original of which I have two which are both the same. I will send one of these to Coolex to help them replicate. I will ask those purchasing to share the cost of me sending this to them and getting it back. We might find an alternative way to get a rad to them.

This company regularly ships to US and Australia and offered to do this for £90 which was offset by not having to pay the VAT. Note that US and AUS import duty and other taxes would be payable in addition. We can firm up on costs and method of ordering once I receive the go-ahead from everyone. I expect you will order directly with Coolex but I need to clarify how you get the quantity discount.

Hi Alastair,
Dimensions of Jupiter rad as requested.
Height from bottom of tank to top of tank excluding filler 458mm
Width across outside of side panels excluding brackets. 505mm
Height from bottom of tank to underside of top tank 355mm.

Please quote to include two inlet, two outlet, overflow and heater return pipes plus the male water temperature bulb fitting.
Will the unit come with a modern pressure cap fitting or the older style as original?
Will the unit come with fan cowl? Personally I could do without this so please quote with and without.

Please also quote for shipping to Australia, New Zealand and USA.

Good afternoon Keith,

To replicate this radiator as a one off, with the same tank shaping, brackets etc so it is a direct replacement the cost is coming out at £495.00 + Vat, if you were to order 3 or more I can reduce that cost to £450.00 + Vat.

If you wanted to utilise a Cortina/Escort style radiator, altering the brackets and fitting the necessary inlets/outlets the cost will be £200.00.

Shipping cost to Australia/ New zealand and the USA are the same at £90.00, however they won't pay the VAT.

I appreciate your patience with me on this.



Many thanks
Alastair Bailey

The fabrication and shipping costs of the USA rad are higher thus UK and AUS owners should prefer the UK manufacture . For US owners the difference is closer but still lower, especially if only one is made.
Here are my comparisons. Please note that my Customs duty calculations may not be correct and you would need to make your own enquiries and follow instructions on the links provided.

UK owners would have a rad (plus postage) for £594 one off or £540 if we get three made by Coolex or from Davis (USA) it would be £1150 one off or, if he made three, £956. I assumed shipping cost $47+$175=$222 or £176, $/£ of 1.2587, VAT 20%, Import duty 2.5%. https://www.gov.uk/goods-sent-from-abroad/tax-and-duty

The cost to USA of the Coolex rad, excluding import duty and sales tax but including shipping, is $736 one off or $679 if Coolex do three. I do not know what taxes you have to pay on the US rad or on the UK rad. This compares to Davis rad delivered to USA cost of $1007 one off or $807 three off. https://www.dutycalculator.com/new-impo ... lculation/

Importing from: United Kingdom
Importing to: United States - California (view country guide)
Shipping method: Freight

Product description: Car Radiator
Product category: Radiators (Upgrade account to get HS code)
Total product value: US$623.00

Shipping costs: US$100.00
Insurance costs: US$10.00

Total customs value (FOB): US$623.00
This is the amount that customs values your import at
- Duty: US$0.00
- Merchandise Processing Fee: US$0.00
Total import duty & taxes due: US$0.00
This is the amount that needs to be paid to customs
- Product, shipping & insurance: US$733.00
Total landed cost: US$733.00
This is the total cost of importing, including product, shipping, insurance and import duty & taxes

Notes on duty & taxes rates and compliance
Car Radiator has an import duty rate of 2.5%. If the product contains Ozone Depleting Substances (ODS), such as Chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), Halons or Hydrochlorofluorocarbons (HCFCs), import of this product is subject to Montreal Protocol and requires an ODS licence.
Notes on import taxes due
No duties because the total FOB does not exceed US$800.00
No Merchandise Processing Fee because the total FOB value does not exceed US$800.00
Please note that your shipping provider may add an additional handling fee

The cost to AUS of the Coolex rad, excluding import duty and sales tax but including shipping, is US$736 one off or US$679 if Coolex do three. I do not know what taxes you have to pay on the US rad or on the UK rad. The cost of the Davis rad is US$1182 one off or US$982 three off, plus import and sales duties. https://www.dutycalculator.com/country- ... Australia/

When I get confirmation from you three which way you want to go I will contact Alastair. I also suggest you drum up additional orders to reduce costs by contacting friends or putting ads in your magazines. I have limited time to continue this dialogue as I am going to India so please respond within a couple of days.

[Keith Clements]

Hello Keith

After talking to you towards the end of last year, following overheating problems, I bought a new alloy radiator from Coolex.

Due to building work and other issues it took a long time before it was installed but it has now been in the car for a couple of months.

We don't get any overheating now, in fact the engine is rather over cooled.
The water temperature is always below 75 even on the very hottest of days which we have had lately, whether around 60 ish or less or queuing in traffic. The gauge agrees reasonably with a cooking thermometer.
I feel that for good lubrication the temperature should be at least around 80 and wondered whether you have used one of these rads in a car used on the road or to and from races.
If you have, did you have to fit a radiator blind and if you did, where did you fit it and how much of the rad or of the grilles did you cover ?
I can't see a very easy way of blanking part of the radiator temporarily for trials or permanently (being fearful of fouling the fan or damaging the rad if the blind or its fixings came loose). I have already tried covering more than half of the central grille with a temporary blind and still only got just over 75 under the same varied conditions as above, again on a very hot day. I have now covered about 85% of the central grille but not had a chance to get onto a main road yet. On side roads, including queuing, the water temperature is still only just above 75 in the recent heat.

I would value any thoughts or experiences that you could give before we go shortly to France as I would prefer not to have a tatty bit of cardboard on the grill for the trip. And I guess it would dissolve if the rain ever comes !

Best wishes
Michael (Hoyle)

Good to hear.
Note the water temp in the header tank is nothing like the oil or water temp in the heads.
Your thermostat will keep the heads at the correct temp.
Use a infra red temp sense gun after a fast run to see what they really are.

Lots on JowettTalk about it.

Thanks Keith

That's a good idea. I will use an infrared thermometer as my oil temperature gauge is not connected to the engine.

And will have a look on JowettTalk.

Regards

Michael

Note that the gun needs to be pointed at a black surface to read correctly. If you read off shiny aluminium it reads a lot cooler than it really is.

Regards