heater pump

[Keith Andrews]

I have been thinking along the same lines to a 12v water pump
The one in the pond that drives the fountain and 'creek' pumps 3500litres/hr at a 1.5 m head

Also a yr or so ago was thinking about the old VW beetle...heat box off the exhaust
A large tube around the exhaust pipe, open at the front.
Then 1 or 2 ducting tubes that run up thru the floor with outlets under the seats directed at the feet...the hot air would go past the feet up under the dash then spill out onto the passengers........maybe...in therory
I just dosent work while the veccle is stopped unless a fan is put in the system.
Or if one desides to go 4x4 off roading and the tube under the car fills up with mud...

[george garside]

there are 'auxiliary' electric waterpumps advertised in classic car mags for just this purpose but the current draw could be on the high side if used with full lights, wipers etc. I have heard of people using SU petrol pump to waft the water round a bit quicker but have no experience of this myself.

Heat from exhaust would be marginal as VW at least had benefit of 2 proper heat exchangers each utilising the heat from 2 cylinders.

[Forumadmin]

Why not utilise some of the many wooly jumpers you have down there?
Knit them into some thick long socks!

[Keith Andrews]

Its not that cold here, and suprisinly the Bradford van is not a cold or drafty car
Mid winter at its worst is a pair of jeans, tee shirt, jumper and something to keep the rain off.
The bad part of the Bradford is the bloody cold steering wheel on a frostly morning...
BUT if going to head south in wniter a 100 miles or so, it gets cold.

[Dave Frost]

I have just joined the forum, being a Bradford van admirer and hopefully one day an owner. I noticed the previous heater discussion and being a Ford Prefect upright owner I thought I could add some detail from my experience with these cars. In my opinion the best heater ever fitted to one of these cars was the Delaney Galley heat exchanger which fitted in the top hose. It is very easy to fit and gets heat to the feet very quickly. The only plumbing is routing the air duct from the exchanger to the control unit usually fitted somewhere on the scuttle plate. The control is a simple flap for the general cab heating and a side pipe for the demisters, again with a simple flap or butterfly. I did have one which I bought through Exchange and Mart in the 70's brand new which had a cable operated control which was the best of the lot.
I currently have a Delaney Galley on my Prefect and I got this from Popparts Plus. In the fifties you could also get a Tudor Components blower which was 6 volt powered and this took heat from the rear of the engine radiator through a 2" air duct. The front of the housing had rotatable shutters to control the air flow. It had a reversible motor. The advantages of the Delaney Galley were there was no water plumbing except when it was placed in the top hose, no pump and no electricity needed. The air was pushed through the heat exchanger by the engine cooling fan blades which passed perilously close to it's front air intake. Only drawback I can recall from the days when we went out daily in the Ford Pop I had in the seventies was that it got the car too hot too quick so needed turning down fairly soon except on the coldest of journeys.
If you want to use the Smiths heater water pump, it is as your member describes but is a fairly weak pump. If the pivot seizes or the spring comes adrift it skids on the fan belt on which the drive is dubious at the best of times. I had one on my first car, an Anglia, and this had a flat worn on the driven wheel where the main shaft had tightened in it's bearings. I still have one of these with the original Smiths tag giving lubrication instructions. A rubber tyre sounds like an excellent improvement. If you need the water hose connections they are still available from Vehicle Wiring products ref. 060008 on 0115 9305454.
Currently I am fitting a Tudor blower to my Delaney Galley system so it can suck warm air in the winter when needed and also be reversed to induce air through the heat exchanger and out through the wing louvres if the car runs too hot in the summer as I am told it is likely to do on unleaded fuel.
If anyone has a spare Bradford for renovation just let me know.
Dave

[PAUL BEAUMONT]

Hello David, just noticed what an appropriate name you have to discuss heaters!
If you like to get in touch sometime with your requirements I will bear you in mind if any Bradfords come to my notice as Bradford Registrar.

[Tony Fearn]

Hello Dave,

Thanks for the detailed input to the on-going discussion started by a chance observation on eBay.

Hope you soon get your Bradford.

There have been a few articles in past (60's/70's) Jowetteer magazines about this very subject, which if I remember correctly George was involved in.

I personally used to just put some long-johns under my trousers in the winter, coupled with two lots of socks and a few layers of upper clothes. Oh, and a woolly hat and thick gloves.

I also found that the sole of my shoe drained the heat out of my right foot due to contact on the accelerator linkage which is only a length of 1/4" iron rod, so I covered the pedal with rabbit fur which was plentiful in the 60's.

I still drive the Jowetts 12 months round, but I try to keep them away from the salt on the roads in the winter.

Looking forward to more input.

Best wishes,

Tony.,

[george garside]

Tony
I too went for long johns & a multiplicity of jumpers & a balaclava! What we tend to forget today is that even pre war luxury cars were without heaters an that well up into the 60s heaters were an extra exept on posh jobs like the Javelin.

My uncle ran a cabinet making business & instead of a van used a large trailer behind his '34 Kestrel to carry furniture ( it would hold a large victorian bedroom suite). During the winter months he kept the engine warm with a sack tied over the radiator and himself warm with a wooden box on the passenger floor with 4 paraffin storm lamps therein. He kept these lit day & night and the interior was quite cosy if somewhat smelly. Incidentally he also towed a 12 foot caravan he made behind a 1928 'fabric greenhouse' and that with the 'high' vintage axle ratio. He also towed this and a post war caravan he constructed, behind the Kestrel without any problem whatsoever. The Austin 10 that replaced the Jowett struggled!

george