Selling cheap, and their oils tend to be pretty good, we use this on the Javelin and Jupiter: http://www.halfords.com/webapp/wcs/stor ... yId_165581
The castrol seems to be a very similar product, but I've not seen it under £20. Personally as long as it is 20/50, almost any "modern" oil is probably going to be better than the oil going into it in the 50s with the additives and science they use to come up with these products now.
Jack.
Getting it back on the road.
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Nigel try 'oil + Castrol ' as an example of a search query. + means AND
http://jowett.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... rol#p16020
But Halfords do a Classic oil which is suitable.
http://jowett.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... rol#p16020
But Halfords do a Classic oil which is suitable.
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Hi Nigel,
I can recommend Rock Oil's Strata 20w-50. I have used it for years and found it fine for our engines.
My local depot supplies me with 25l drums at around £50. This makes a refill oil change for the Javelin about £10, which is pretty reasonable. Apparently, the Harley Davidson Club use this oil as their preferred lubricant.
The ratings of this oil mean that it doesn't result in excessive camshaft lobe wear, which I believe can result from ultra modern oil formulations.
All the best,
David
I can recommend Rock Oil's Strata 20w-50. I have used it for years and found it fine for our engines.
My local depot supplies me with 25l drums at around £50. This makes a refill oil change for the Javelin about £10, which is pretty reasonable. Apparently, the Harley Davidson Club use this oil as their preferred lubricant.
The ratings of this oil mean that it doesn't result in excessive camshaft lobe wear, which I believe can result from ultra modern oil formulations.
All the best,
David
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Quite a lot of progress in just a few hours today. Peter Tribble joined the merry band of fixers, and we ended up learning a lot and doing a lot at the same time.
First up was a good old clean - no point in putting a filthy engine back in the car. After half an hour we had most of the gunk off it, and we could wash out the waterways and clean up the faces of the block ready for fitting the refurbished heads. Huge amounts of rusty water cleaned out, big lumps of crystals removed, and the whole thing dried off while we had some tea.
After all that cleaning we were ready for some old fashioned nuts and bolts to go together. The head gaskets were coated with a bit of hylomar, and the heads went on. The bolt tightening began, following the manual etc and gradually increasing torque.
And then it was lunchtime.
Afternoon was spent replacing the bent and broken pushrods, fixing layrub and doing valve clearances before engine was ready to go back in. A bit of swearing, some careful negotiation, and the engine was back in.
Lots of fitting bits back together, including some significant headscratching over the modified electronic ignition (we think fitted from a Mini Cooper) and it was ready for test fire. First attempt not successful because the ignition lead was not connected to the coil. A couple of minutes later it was ready for attempt 2, which was unsuccessful. No spark. Obviously I was quite sure of what was wrong
and a loose wire was refitted and ready for test fire 3. An instant success. It fired, and it ran.
It idled ok for a bit, but when given a bit of throttle it was dying off, and there was a fair amount of fuel leaking from the refurbished carbs so these will need attention before the car is really sorted.
Nigel has been left with the task of getting the fuel tank drained, but a quick siphon should have that sorted quickly enough so we can clean out the lines and see whether the tank has got any of the nasty gunk inside. Not sure when the next date for fixing will be, with Goodwood and other commitments coming up, but hopefully the progress so far will spur everyone into action.
Jack.
First up was a good old clean - no point in putting a filthy engine back in the car. After half an hour we had most of the gunk off it, and we could wash out the waterways and clean up the faces of the block ready for fitting the refurbished heads. Huge amounts of rusty water cleaned out, big lumps of crystals removed, and the whole thing dried off while we had some tea.
After all that cleaning we were ready for some old fashioned nuts and bolts to go together. The head gaskets were coated with a bit of hylomar, and the heads went on. The bolt tightening began, following the manual etc and gradually increasing torque.
And then it was lunchtime.
Afternoon was spent replacing the bent and broken pushrods, fixing layrub and doing valve clearances before engine was ready to go back in. A bit of swearing, some careful negotiation, and the engine was back in.
Lots of fitting bits back together, including some significant headscratching over the modified electronic ignition (we think fitted from a Mini Cooper) and it was ready for test fire. First attempt not successful because the ignition lead was not connected to the coil. A couple of minutes later it was ready for attempt 2, which was unsuccessful. No spark. Obviously I was quite sure of what was wrong
and a loose wire was refitted and ready for test fire 3. An instant success. It fired, and it ran.It idled ok for a bit, but when given a bit of throttle it was dying off, and there was a fair amount of fuel leaking from the refurbished carbs so these will need attention before the car is really sorted.
Nigel has been left with the task of getting the fuel tank drained, but a quick siphon should have that sorted quickly enough so we can clean out the lines and see whether the tank has got any of the nasty gunk inside. Not sure when the next date for fixing will be, with Goodwood and other commitments coming up, but hopefully the progress so far will spur everyone into action.
Jack.
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Some pictures of the fun on Sunday 18th Aug:
Jack and Keith
Jack, Peter and Keith
Peter and Jack
As before, I was amazed at the amount of progress that was achieved in such a short space of time.
We cut a few corners though, like starting the engine up without any coolant in it.
And it was great to hear the engine running smoothly once again, albeit not for long.
Big thanks to Keith, Jack and Peter!
Jack and Keith
Jack, Peter and Keith
Peter and Jack
As before, I was amazed at the amount of progress that was achieved in such a short space of time.
We cut a few corners though, like starting the engine up without any coolant in it.
And it was great to hear the engine running smoothly once again, albeit not for long.
Big thanks to Keith, Jack and Peter!
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Hi Nigel,
Would you be prepared to write up a paragraph for the Jowetteer covering progress over the two days?
As discussed, there are lots of members in the area and some of them might not have access to the web, so a note in the Jowetteer might be just what we need to drum up some more volunteers while Keith is away.
If we send that to Alan with some of the photos posted, and a pic of the car out on the drive (minus engine perhaps!), I am sure lots of people will be interested in a car they might not have seen or heard much about for a few years as many members knew your father and would be interested in hearing the good news.
This will also serve as a good test of how much you have remembered from the two days so far
Oh, and don't forget to vote for Paul's Javelin in the Classic Car of the Year competition, because when it is on the road it will be your turn next year!
Jack.
Would you be prepared to write up a paragraph for the Jowetteer covering progress over the two days?
As discussed, there are lots of members in the area and some of them might not have access to the web, so a note in the Jowetteer might be just what we need to drum up some more volunteers while Keith is away.
If we send that to Alan with some of the photos posted, and a pic of the car out on the drive (minus engine perhaps!), I am sure lots of people will be interested in a car they might not have seen or heard much about for a few years as many members knew your father and would be interested in hearing the good news.
This will also serve as a good test of how much you have remembered from the two days so far
Oh, and don't forget to vote for Paul's Javelin in the Classic Car of the Year competition, because when it is on the road it will be your turn next year!
Jack.
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Re: Getting it back on the road.
Update, now some of us have recovered from a busy weekend of playing with cars!
The Midlands Section have really stepped up to the plate to help Nigel, who came along to Bletchley Park nearly a year ago and asked for help with his car. After three afternoons I think the job is done, with just a few little jobs required to get it to 100%.
We arrived at 11am to find Nigel, Craig and Glenys Ainge already hard at work, trying to get as much done as possible before the rain started.
A couple of photos to give you a flavour of things, in this one Nigel is replacing the drum after freeing the brakes and cleaning up the pistons - I think there was a fair bit of work involved on this one as the shoe was not quite seated correctly, but easily resolved and ready to go. Just look at that colour with the daylight coming through, a very pretty car. Amusing moment of the afternoon was three enthusiastic Jowetteers attempting to remove a front drum, with comments like "what we really need is a puller for this" before Nigel came along with exactly the right homemade tool and a "do you mean one of these?" with a smile.
I was busy underneath trying to fit the bolts through for the front bumper - reminder from Nigel that he needs to fit a shorter bolt on the passenger side as soon as possible to avoid hitting the sump and so that bumper is properly secured.
Amy and Glenys supervising Craig and I trying (with some difficulty) to get the bumper lined up and bolts in properly! Those overalls definitely need replacing with some Jowett ones.
While the rest of the team were busy with the brakes, Nigel provided the water for Craig and I to test run the engine after fitting the new carbs from the Carburettor Exchange - they did a good job on these, and they looked as good as new and functioned just how you would expect. With very little encouragement it fired right up, revving nicely because the carbs weren't quite adjusted yet, but definitely a good sign. The water system coped nicely, with no leaks (other than the open drain tap) so the car was ready to go for a drive.
Time had marched on, but we carried on a bit later than planned to see if we could get over the finish line - and we did. A test drive around the local roads was successful, with no leaks, smoke or problems, so we have judged this to be a success - we "got it back on the road" as Nigel had hoped a year ago, and with a couple of little jobs completed Nigel and his family should be able to enjoy it for the summer and beyond.
We learned a couple of things that we probably already knew, but is worth reinforcing for any Jowett owner:
1) It is much better for a car to run and drive regularly than to sit for extended periods - the seized brakes and fuel gunk made this a big job, requiring removal of carbs, heads and drums, as opposed to once every few months having a quick look and attending to any maintenance and regularly driving the car.
2) Nigel's tyres have loads of tread left, but the crazing on the sidewalls means they definitely need replacing for anything more than a very low speed test run - just age is enough to do for a tyre, so get your money's worth and try and wear them out before they degrade.
3) If you ask for help, the club will provide it. Get involved, don't be afraid to ask, and don't be afraid to volunteer to help someone else. Just by dropping in to help Nigel out we discovered that he had several very useful tools which other local members may well need to keep their cars on the road, and we will always travel to anyone that can put lunch together!
The garage Technical Day with all this sort of thing and more is happening in Kings Langley on 19th and 20th July, if anyone wants to come along (accommodation available overnight if required, and we will be going out for dinner Saturday evening) please get in touch. Details in the Jowetteer.
Jack.
The Midlands Section have really stepped up to the plate to help Nigel, who came along to Bletchley Park nearly a year ago and asked for help with his car. After three afternoons I think the job is done, with just a few little jobs required to get it to 100%.
We arrived at 11am to find Nigel, Craig and Glenys Ainge already hard at work, trying to get as much done as possible before the rain started.
A couple of photos to give you a flavour of things, in this one Nigel is replacing the drum after freeing the brakes and cleaning up the pistons - I think there was a fair bit of work involved on this one as the shoe was not quite seated correctly, but easily resolved and ready to go. Just look at that colour with the daylight coming through, a very pretty car. Amusing moment of the afternoon was three enthusiastic Jowetteers attempting to remove a front drum, with comments like "what we really need is a puller for this" before Nigel came along with exactly the right homemade tool and a "do you mean one of these?" with a smile.
I was busy underneath trying to fit the bolts through for the front bumper - reminder from Nigel that he needs to fit a shorter bolt on the passenger side as soon as possible to avoid hitting the sump and so that bumper is properly secured.
Amy and Glenys supervising Craig and I trying (with some difficulty) to get the bumper lined up and bolts in properly! Those overalls definitely need replacing with some Jowett ones.
While the rest of the team were busy with the brakes, Nigel provided the water for Craig and I to test run the engine after fitting the new carbs from the Carburettor Exchange - they did a good job on these, and they looked as good as new and functioned just how you would expect. With very little encouragement it fired right up, revving nicely because the carbs weren't quite adjusted yet, but definitely a good sign. The water system coped nicely, with no leaks (other than the open drain tap) so the car was ready to go for a drive.
Time had marched on, but we carried on a bit later than planned to see if we could get over the finish line - and we did. A test drive around the local roads was successful, with no leaks, smoke or problems, so we have judged this to be a success - we "got it back on the road" as Nigel had hoped a year ago, and with a couple of little jobs completed Nigel and his family should be able to enjoy it for the summer and beyond.
We learned a couple of things that we probably already knew, but is worth reinforcing for any Jowett owner:
1) It is much better for a car to run and drive regularly than to sit for extended periods - the seized brakes and fuel gunk made this a big job, requiring removal of carbs, heads and drums, as opposed to once every few months having a quick look and attending to any maintenance and regularly driving the car.
2) Nigel's tyres have loads of tread left, but the crazing on the sidewalls means they definitely need replacing for anything more than a very low speed test run - just age is enough to do for a tyre, so get your money's worth and try and wear them out before they degrade.
3) If you ask for help, the club will provide it. Get involved, don't be afraid to ask, and don't be afraid to volunteer to help someone else. Just by dropping in to help Nigel out we discovered that he had several very useful tools which other local members may well need to keep their cars on the road, and we will always travel to anyone that can put lunch together!
The garage Technical Day with all this sort of thing and more is happening in Kings Langley on 19th and 20th July, if anyone wants to come along (accommodation available overnight if required, and we will be going out for dinner Saturday evening) please get in touch. Details in the Jowetteer.
Jack.