Early Javelin Restoration

[Chris Spencer]

Manged to get away from work a little earlier today (very rare event) so had a few hours over at Keith's -
The front nearside horizontal quarter panel on the inner wing was fabricated to the previously cut pattern and the old section cut out off the wing

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[Chris Spencer]

Meanwhile Keith's lengthy conversation with JCS continued with the never ending list of parts required for the restoration,

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[Chris Spencer]

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Conversation & debate still continues on the best process / course of action to remove the paint / bare metal the car - we should have a decison in the next few days.

[Jack]

Via the magic of the internet, I think I've sorted this one, albeit for a price, £1.14+vat each

Well done Jack - I just think that £1.14 for a bent bit of sheet metal & a 1/4 BSF square nut is quite rich for something that jointly has a material value of 15 pence - so if you can find the square nuts - I will still fabricate a stamp & die with a veiw to producing them

I think I'd rather give them a call and see how much if we buy 100 of them I am sure that their single unit £1.14 price will be negotiable.

And how much time required to manufacture 100 by hand? A lot.

Waiting for news back from my nuts and bolts man - if they are available new then they can probably get them or have them in stock. Fingers crossed, because if they do have them then it will be about 20p each. Everything they sell seems to be about 20p each!

Jack.

[Chris Spencer]

I think I'd rather give them a call and see how much if we buy 100 of them I am sure that their single unit £1.14 price will be negotiable.

And how much time required to manufacture 100 by hand? A lot.

I doubt very much that you will get them under the £1 mark - with a die & stamp made it will take seconds to make them - it's the principle of having to pay 5 times the physical value of something - just because they can demand it - on the other hand if they were a sensable 50 to 60 pence each then I would not have a problem with them - but if you want to pay a £1 each + vat + postage for them - that's fine by me - I had a count up tonight on your car - I think we need nearer 60 of them.

[Jack]

Searching around trade suppliers, who have dug through old stock and nut turned anything up on the 1/4" BSF cage nuts.



Unfortunately Bresco is showing £7.49 for 16 units. But that's just the cages. I think this could be an expensive or time consuming business however it goes.

Jack.

[robert lintott]

since you are starting from scratch why not go for bolts with square nuts which are the right external size but are not BSF ? In my oddments box I have some dome head bolts with a screwdriver slot with square nuts which I think are used by roofers , dont know the thread. I tried to use them to fill some missing on the front wing top flanges and found they would go into the captive nuts only a few threads , so cut them short! Bob

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Such nuts are used on Dexion shelving and greenhouses but the ones I have are very course thread (and hence will shake loose unless loctite is used! Also it means that there is a mix of bolts that is a nightmare already on this car with metric and AF being used in Switzerland and NZ already (to add to the BSF, BA, Whit and ANF(UNF) already fitted by Jowetts. We are replacing to factory standard and concours standard. A good concours judge can tell and should mark down accordingly.

Peter and I went through all the components noting nut and bolt sizes, shapes and thread lengths. I compiled a list and phoned JCS but they only have a few of the types in stock. So now I, Jack and Chris are finding suppliers. Some are special bolts (those with numeric part numbers) so may need to be machined to suit.

These captive cages are just one thing we should supply as a club. So let us help JCS get them so that future restorations are not stalled waiting to find or make them.

[Jack]

I might consider drilling and retapping a smaller metric square nut - they are easily put 10 at a time into a vice, and as long as a hand cut thread will hold it doesn't seem as onerous as making the cages. Perhaps this is a solution, meanwhile my search for a reasonably priced supplier continues...

Jack.

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I have collected all the photos together (I hope) into Peter\'s personal album THIS LINK NO LONGER WORKS! and made them visible to the public who can also comment below each item. Thus you can reference them from JowettTalk and other forums and invite comments from their readers. This allows comments to associate with their subject more easily rather than them getting lost in what will be a long topic thread.

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ian P from JCS phoned. He is sending a sample of the Bradford floor nut and cage (but this is not a spot weldable captive nut).

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Bill Lock just brought around a few square nuts.
He also looked at the king pins, gear shift column and other bits. There is 4 thou wear on pins but column is OK.

[Srenner]

Moss offers a square cage (part number 802-065) for US$0.85 (about UK 0.55) and 1/4x 28 square nuts (310-165) for US$0.45, so about US$1.30 (about 0.81 per set).

Here are the 1/4x28 SAE caged nuts available in the US for US$1.25 each (about UK 0.80).
http://www.macysgarage.com/myweb6/Parts/tr2_3_hdwe.htm

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Air compressor now has new motor (twice the power as the one that came off). This required rewiring to reverse its direction and a 16A plug to take the starting load. All up and working delivering 100psi if we need it.

[Jack]

Air compressor now has new motor (twice the power as the one that came off). This required rewiring to reverse its direction and a 16A plug to take the starting load. All up and working delivering 100psi if we need it.

Check what pressure the cylinder can hold - might be ok for 100psi, but worth checking before turning up the pressure. I'd be surprised if most of your hoses in the workshop could handle higher pressures than we are using!