Appropriate Tools and Spares

[Hendrik Moulds]

A bit of advice needed.....

Although I'm not new to classic cars or even Jowetts, this year will be my first when I can drive my Jupiter as well as my Bradford van. So am wondering what tools and spares you would recommend I have with me or even in the garage.
Please note that all of my non-Jowett classics are foreign and only use metric tools so I am literally starting with nothing.

Thanks for the advice.

[Tony Fearn]

Hello Hendrik,
Have a look at page 3 of the thread below, as Marcel in Gschwend asked the same thing. It might suffice.

http://jowett.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=2530

Tony.

[Jack]

First stop is sockets and spanners. Do you have any of these?

If not, the cheap BSW sockets from Laser/Silverline are good value, and much better than the price suggests.

The spanners depends on budget really. I picked up a set of King Dick spanners that are good quality and reasonably priced at £33 from here: http://www.baconsdozen.co.uk/tools/whitworth.htm - he will post to Europe no problem, and takes paypal, but worth contacting him for postage on multiple products. The cheaper Silverline spanner set isn't brilliant quality, but will last a few years and they are incredibly cheap.

There are specific sizes that are very useful for the Jupiter, worth getting this confirmed, as there are specific types of spanners and sizes of sockets you need for particular failures. I would assume that there are for Bradfords too, but I don't know enough about them to be able to even know whether there are or not.

Jack.

[chapman]

All the advice given so far is excellent and as a special treat to yourself you should buy two quarter bsf scanners and two five sixteenth bsf spanners from a really good manufacturer such as snap on ,they are very expensive but they cover about 90% of all jobs you do and they won't round the heads if you get a ring at one end and open at the other
Another cheap source of imperial tools is a tool shop in the USA I got a set of very deep sockets for about ten quid and a torque wrench for about £15 and so far they have been very good
You can also see what the Ausies and New Zealanders are offering and failing that car boot sales
Tom Chapman

[Hendrik Moulds]

Thanks for the advice, I will start doing some purchasing!

[Forumadmin]

Peter Pfister has just bought some Whitworth ratchet spanners. They look good.

You can also get from same supplier some BA spannersthat are useful for those electrical parts. Or consider this ring set which has the even sizes which, I think, is all you need.

The 11 piece BSW set is worth having also so you can do the gearbox output and crank pulley nuts which are 3/4BSW. You need the 11/16, 5/8 and 9/16 for some of the suspension bolts, I think. Also sometimes you need two spanners of same size to undo things.

Some of the brake and petrol parts use AF spanners so I keep just two of those 1/2-9/16 & 11/16-19/32 in my toolkit. But you should check what you actually need.
If you do not use the correct spanner you will destroy the nuts, evidence of which you find on petrol banjos, oil pipes and brake fittings!

Pliers, Mole grips and even adjustable spanners are not substitutes.

Ring spanners are safer, particularly for Layrubs, saving bruised knuckles. Cranked ring spanners are also in my tool kit as they give space for hands in some situations.

I have viewed some engines recently and seen how badly some of the nuts are tightened. If you do not pay attention to correct torque, the engines and gearboxes will fall apart. bolts are specific sizes for a reason. In general, big bolt = big torque; but do remember most studs on Jowetts go into aluminium.

Finally cheap tools are false economy. I have used my King Dick spanners continuously since I was 20 years old, so how long is that?

[Forumadmin]

I tried out my set of the ratchet spanners yesterday which were good for some jobs but because of the thickness of the lips of the spanner sometimes a socket or ring spanner was more suitable. Thin walled sockets are also needed on some jobs such as sump nuts. Sometimes dropping down from a 1/2" drive to 3/8" or 1/4" drive socket provides a suitable wall thickness. I always carry such 3/8" drive socket for the head nuts so I do not have to take off the rocker assembly to tighten the head down. Obviously it must be good quality to cope with the 35 ftlbs torque!

Look at thisto see what you need.

Note you need an 11/16 Whit- 3/4 BSF socket for the gearbox output nut. These are difficult to come buy but a 30mm might do, but may be tight.
Similarly a 5/8W- 11/16 BSF can use a 28mm socket or a 3/4W- 7/8 BSF can use a 33 mm socket.

0.117 inches =10 BA

0.131 inches = 9 BA

0.152 inches = 8 BA

0.172 inches = 7 BA

0.193 inches = 6 BA

0.220 inches = 5 BA

0.248 inches = 4 BA

0.250 inches = 1/4 AF

0.276 inches = 7mm

0.282 inches = 3 BA

0.313 inches = 5/16 AF

0.315 inches = 8mm

0.324 inches = 2 BA

0.344 inches = 11/32 AF and 1/8 Whitworth

0.354 inches = 9mm

0.365 inches = 1 BA

0.375 inches = 3/8 AF

0.394 inches = 10mm

0.413 inches = 0 BA (Largest BA size)

0.433 inches - 11mm

0.438 inches = 7/16 AF

0.445 inches = 3/16 Whitworth or 1/4 BSF

0.472 inches = 12mm

0.500 inches = 1/2 AF

0.512 inches = 13mm

0.525 inches = 1/4 inch Whitworth or 5/16 BSF

0.551 inches = 14mm

0.563 inches = 9/16 AF

0.591 inches = 15mm

0.600 inches = 5/16 Whitworth or 3/8 BSF

0.625 inches = 5/8 AF

0.630 inches = 16mm

0.669 inches = 17mm

0.686 inches = 11/16 AF

0.709 inches = 18mm (uncommon metric size).

0.710 inches = 3/8 Whitworth or 7/16 BSF

0.748 inches = 19mm

0.750 inches = 3/4 AF

0.813 inches = 11/16 AF

0.820 inches = 7/16 Whitworth or 1/2 BSF

0.866 inches = 22mm

0.875 inches = 7/8 AF

0.920 inches = 1/2 Whitworth or 9/16 BSF

0.938 inches = 15/16 AF

0.945 inches = 24mm

1.000 inch = 1 inch AF

1.010 inches = 9/16 Whitworth or 5/8 BSF

1.024 inches = 26mm

1.063 inches = 1 + 1/16 AF or 27mm

1.100 inches = 5/8 whitworth or 11/16 BSF

1.125 inches = 1 + 1/8 AF

1.181 inches = 30mm

1.200 inches = 11/16 Whitworth or 3/4 BSF

1.250 inches = 1 + 1/4 AF

1.260 inches = 32mm

1.300 inches = 3/4 Whitworth or 7/8 BSF

1.313 inches = 1 + 5/16 AF

1.390 inches = 13/16 Whitworth or 15/16 BSF (not very commonly used).

1.417 inches = 36mm

1.438 inches = 1 + 7/16 AF

1.480 inches = 7/8 Whitworth or 1 inch BSF

1.500 inches = 1 + 1/2 AF

1.575 inches = 40mm or 15/16 Whitworth

1.614 inches = 41mm

1.625 inches = 1 + 5/8 AF

1.670 inches = 1 inch Whitworth or 1 + 1/8 BSF

1.688 inches = 1 + 11/16 AF

1.811 inches = 46mm

1.813 inches = 1 + 13/16 AF

1.860 inches = 1 + 1/8 Whitworth or 1 + 1/4 BSF

1.875 inches = 1 + 7/8 AF

1.969 inches = 50mm

2.000 inches = 2 inch AF

2.050 inches = 1 + 1/4 Whitworth or 1 + 3/8 BSF

2.165 inches = 55mm

2.362 inches = 60mm

[Forumadmin]

keithsToolbox.jpg

This is the toolbox that I take on most journeys with a few additions and subtractions depending on circumstances. This is supplemented by my 'Rally Spares' crate which contains what I now consider as minimal spares for any journey. There is some duplication with the addition of the new ratchet spanners and BA ring spanners but otherwise all other tools are justified. These additions just make some jobs a bit easier. Click on the graphic for a better picture!

[Hendrik Moulds]

Many thanks for the picture, just what I was looking for!