Jowett Javelin -Project C

[YMC56]

Hi Guys,
I am trying to contact the Club to hopefully pass on a Jowett Javelin and spares. (FOC)
Please contact me on stephen DOT hawkins21@ntlworld DOT com, this car has not ran for over forty years.

[Jack]

Hi Stephen,

Where are you based? We can probably put you in touch with the local section, who will no doubt have Javelin owners interested in the car, especially at that price

After that period of time there may be a lot of parts which are unrecoverable, and the car may be beyond repair, however the club will do its best to make sure that the car goes to a good home and is treated appropriately.

Jack.

[YMC56]

Car is garaged in Luton.

I would suggest any interested party pays a visit to my Father who would agree on the new home.

Understand car may end up being broken up, just hope Dad agrees.

Suggest any interested party can arange a visit by emailing me.

[Jack]

Hi Stephen,

Well, it looks like we are the locals in that case! We are in Kings Langley, just up the road.

I have sent a message to the rest of the team - I should be in touch in the next couple of days by e-mail if that's ok, and we can take it from there.

I am strongly against taking parts from a restorable car, however I'd rather see the parts used from an unrestorable car used to put another on the road. Hopefully your dad would be ok with that.

If we aren't in a position to take on the car we will pass on your details through the club newsletter so that any members who may be further from you (and who may not read the forum) can get in touch.

One thing you should do is to make your e-mail address a different format - suggest you edit your post to stephen dot hawkins21 at ntlworld dot com and you will avoid quite a bit of the spam that you might otherwise get, obviously a human reader can very easily work it out and get in touch.

Regards,

Jack.

[Jack]

Update for those of you who may have been curious - we have now visited Stephen's father, Derek, who was an active member of the club and Javelin owner up to the late 60s (Keith obviously pretended it was before his time to try and make himself look a bit younger than he really is) and he has got a 1951 Javelin and most of the parts required to rebuild it.

The team have had a good look at the car, and have decided that we will take it on for restoration or at the very least find a suitable home for it to be restored. The chassis needs welding in a couple of places, the bodywork needs quite a bit of work doing (we haven't shown Chris the photos yet), and the interior will be a complete retrim I think, but all have agreed that while very rusty in places and a long way from running it is too good to be broken for spares and have committed to Derek that we will do everything we can to restore it.

The engine will need a rebuild (along with the 4 others that I am apparently doing this winter!) but Derek has made sure he has got spares of many of the important parts required so hopefully we won't need to buy too many parts for this car.

Keith will hopefully upload some photos of the car soon, it has been off the road since approx 1969 but has been stored properly so is in better condition than many other Javelins that have been on the road more recently but stored in the open.

All this said, it is still a fairly rusty and very tired old girl that will need several hundred (if not thousand) hours to even get an MOT.

Derek has also got a large number of spares which he has collected for the car, when the project is complete if we have a surplus of parts these will be passed to JCS in order to distribute to club members as appropriate. We have also invited him to join us at a JCC social as many familiar names came up over the weekend and I'm sure some old friends will certainly be pleased to see him again after all these years.

On Sunday we are dropping in to pick up the first load of parts for inventory and storage until the car arrives. If any club members would like to drop in and help out we are going to be in Luton from approx 1pm.

Good thing we've just extended the garage...

Jack.

[robert lintott]

ref the Javelin for restoration , lets hope it can be done . It is described as a 1951 car , however YMC is a Middlesex registration used in the period June to November 1952, which should make it a 1952 model . Is it an E2 PD car number? In the Club vehicle register there is YMC893 shown as E3 PE 23317 D , a 1953 model probably registered in Nov. 1952. good luck Bob

[Jack]

ref the Javelin for restoration , lets hope it can be done . It is described as a 1951 car , however YMC is a Middlesex registration used in the period June to November 1952, which should make it a 1952 model . Is it an E2 PD car number? In the Club vehicle register there is YMC893 shown as E3 PE 23317 D , a 1953 model probably registered in Nov. 1952. good luck Bob

Hi Bob,

It is definitely restorable. I guess (as always) it is a matter of time and money. The car is solid enough to be restored without issue, there is no significant bend in the chassis that would normally write off a Javelin, however it certainly wouldn't be viable as a commercial restoration - it would cost several thousand pounds to restore to a standard where it could be sold for less than the cost of restoration - however most of the cost would be labour as a result of the parts that Derek has collected to rebuild the car, so for us it is viable. The one thing we can do is man (and woman) hours

I can't confirm if it was a 51 or 52 - the boot lid was the non-numberplate later type, and rear bumper the numberplate type, so that points to a later car - whether there's 51 cars with those changes (either originally or in the intervening years) however there are spare bumpers without numberplate plinths so it may have been modified at some point.

It is definitely a deluxe. And it is definitely a late-ish car. We'll check the documents on Sunday and update here and the club records. It could, however, have been made in late 51 and not registered until June 52. I also can't confirm for definite if YMC56 is the reg number (I'm sure it was a six digit plate), I've not had a minute this week to go through the photos and our notes.

Jack.

[Robin Fairservice]

What is the chassis number? That should indicate what year.

[Forumadmin]

TOPIC Photos of the initial viewing

[Robin Fairservice]

I don't find it very helpful to be referred to the Jowett Gallery. Where in the Gallery? I have followed thi slink before and not beenable to find th ephotos referred to in the message. There are many pages of personal folders, so which one? I looked at "Recent Updates", and I guess that these are photos of this car. I looked at all of them and could see the Jowett plate that would have the chassis number on it, but nothing is legible. So, what is the chassis number?

[Forumadmin]

The post was not in reply to the question on chassis number. Just thought some photos would add some interest. We can find out number today when we visit.

[Jack]

I don't find it very helpful to be referred to the Jowett Gallery. Where in the Gallery? I have followed thi slink before and not beenable to find th ephotos referred to in the message. There are many pages of personal folders, so which one? I looked at "Recent Updates", and I guess that these are photos of this car. I looked at all of them and could see the Jowett plate that would have the chassis number on it, but nothing is legible. So, what is the chassis number?

Hi Robin. I have the same problem. When I click on the link I am then directed to log in, which I do, but it then takes me to a different page to the one with the photos in it. Not sure whether this is a quirk of the board software. The way round it is to go to the Gallery, log in, and then click on the link in the post. That seems to take me to the right place.

It doesn't, however, give you the chassis number in those photos (unless your eyes are much better than mine!) but we have the documents for the car along with some other relevant documents. Keith has got these so he can scan in the relevant info and share the chassis number (and the correct reg no!)

If it helps to answer the mystery of the 51 vs 52, the car isn't YMC - that was a Javelin, however that was the car that Derek owned before this one. Keith will update with the registration number and chassis number from the documents, but the car to be restored is definitely a 51. YMC was most likely scrapped many years ago.

We also found, would you believe it, a photo of JKU 777 (Project B) in the Jowetteers from 1968 while we were going through paperwork. More photos to add to the history file for that car, no doubt there are photos of other cars that people will be interested in. Derek has also given us some large outline drawings of the Javelin and Jupiter SA, and some notes from many years ago on various topics. All will be scanned and shared as soon as we can.

The first car load has now been safely stored in my garage while we finish off the building work on the main garage. Once that is done we can get everything moved across for inspection and inventory. We think there will be approximately 3 or 4 car loads, if nothing else because of the weight of the parts. There are several engines to transport, as well as doors and other heavy parts, we got down the M1 comfortably enough today but we do need to make sure we don't overdo it! I've already snapped one coil moving big loads up the bumpy lane with my Mondeo.

Jack.

[Chris Spencer]

I have very had little involvement so far - I am working away from away home up until the festive holidays managing a restoration of very different type (Canal navigation lock 20m long, 6m deep & 5m wide). From the images Keith has placed on the gallery I would say that the car is very restorable - I have seen better, however - I have restored far worse - so with project B, the addition of project C, My 8 HP (that Sharon has adopted) and a Jupiter on it's way - that is four restoration projects that we have on our hands between us - along with another four classics up and running on the road to keep up to scratch and few hanger on's (namely Jack Bedford camper and Amys just round the corner from being classic MX5 - It's a good job that the workshop extension is 70% complete!

[Forumadmin]

If you read the text in the banner above you will see it says specifically you need to logon to JowettGallery before using links! May not be as user friendly as you want but I am not going to change things until I integrate registration and logon with the membership list.

[robert lintott]

re my previous, I note that in the picture gallery the initial caption refers to this Javelin as YMC 893, which is E3 PE 23317 D colour Green which must have been registered in November 1953, being about 1000 cars before production ended. Perhaps this makes it a more worthwhile restoration! Would still be worth checking the Jowett plate on the bulkhead. Good luck Bob. PS Eden Lindsay may have more info