1936 Jowett in Germany restore

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[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello Tony,
Thanks for letting me know about how to get in touch with Ian Priestley. I'll send him a letter shortly with a list of parts that I need.

Now that you mention it, I do need to get a set of spanners. Could you tell me what exactly I need to get? I ordered an american set and they seem to fit even worse that the metric spanners I was using. I may be able to source them here if I just know what I need to look for.

I have now dismantled the frame fully and it has already been sandblasted. In the next while I will be welding panels to the frame.

I hope to upload photos of the sandblasted frame this evening.

Thanks for all your help
Marcel

[Jack]

Hi Marcel,

This is a company I've used several times - he supplies good quality tools (and sells very old stock which has not been used), and is honest about any cheaper brands he sells http://www.baconsdozen.co.uk/ - I think he will ship to Germany for a small postage charge.

I'm afraid I don't know what sizes you will need, hopefully one of the more experienced pre-war people can advise - whatever sizes are required, you will be able to get them from the link above.

Jack.

[Tony Fearn]

Hello Marcel,

Jack's reply includes a link which I haven't seen before, but looking at the website, it seems that you can get all you want there, and the postage seems reasonable.

Pre-war Jowetts used mainly BSF (British Standard Fine) nuts and bolts, measured in fractions of an inch, eg 1/4", 5/16", 3/8", 7/16", and so on.

The spanners and sockets for BSF nuts and bolts also fit the Whitworth ones. Whitworth just had a wider thread pattern. The diameters were the same.

My father presented me with a set of open-ended Stahlwille spanners when I bought my Jowett back in 1962, and they are still as good as new!

We're all looking forward to the photographs.

Best wishes,

Tony.

[Jack]

On that basis I am happy to reccomend a couple of products, as we use Whitworth on the Javelins and Jupiters too.

Baconsdozen sells new sets of "King Dick" open ended spanners, which I have found to be good tools and well finished. So far I have not managed to bend or break them, which is quite something for a set of spanners that were made in the last 30 years and cost £33 for a set. If you prefer combination spanners Amy's set of Laser spanners is better than the price suggests at £22.25 - I'd go for these ahead of the Silverline cheap option which are not finished as well.

On the sockets, Laser now sell BSW (British Standard Whitworth) sockets which are very affordable (£14.50!) and I have found to be reasonable quality. These may be available from suppliers in Germany as Laser are a big company, which might save on postage. I took the view that a really good set of sockets might easily be over £100, and I'd have to go through more than 6 sets of cheaper sockets before I lose money on these - at the current rate of wear I'll be long gone before I get through these, even with me swinging on the breaker bar.

The 1/2" Whitworth Drive Tool Kit that he does includes extension bars that you may already have, but at £24 including ratchet they are very good value and a couple of spares tends to be very useful.

Does anyone know of a decent set of six sided BSW impact sockets? The ones on Baconsdozen are no doubt good quality, but at the prices quoted they are too rich for me - I just need similar quality to the metric sets available almost everywhere for situations where a 12 sided socket isn't going to cut it - perhaps an opening in the market for a larger tool manufacturer?

Jack.

[george garside]

my ''King Dicks'' have been in use for around 50 years and still rise to the occasion whenever required!

george

[Forumadmin]

Now George stop getting excited....

[Tony Fearn]

my ''King Dicks'' have been in use for around 50 years and still rise to the occasion whenever required!

Now then, now then!!

[Amy]

I didn't realise it was this type of website!!!

[Forumadmin]

Amy, Perhaps you could explain to Marcel what George is on about.

[george garside]

could be something to do with our leaning towards things horizontal!
george

[1936xxMarcelK]

Hello
sorry, I still alive..., but my time in the last weeks was not for my Jowett...

I have resarched in the net: baconsdozen.uk and i haven´t found only twelf point spanners, i want to have 6 point spanners.
can that be real?, I also want to have 1/2" nuts with 12 point.
Am I comprehensible to you?

Also I have a few pictures for you:

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It,s a lot of work. But it look liks good, i want to weld the laminations and repair all broken things.

Have a good day
greetings from Gschwend - Germany

[Jack]

Hello
sorry, I still alive..., but my time in the last weeks was not for my Jowett...

I have resarched in the net: baconsdozen.uk and i haven´t found only twelf point spanners, i want to have 6 point spanners.
can that be real?, I also want to have 1/2" nuts with 12 point.
Am I comprehensible to you?

Have a good day
greetings from Gschwend - Germany

Hi Marcel - do you mean 12 point sockets? Like this?



And you want this:



Or do you mean spanners?

If you are looking for 6 sided BSW sockets I think he has just updated his website with BSW impact sockets - it doesn't look like you can order them online, but if you want me to call him I can check what he has - having seen this I was planning to call him and get a set myself.

Impact sockets are normally this type:



If you want 6 sided normal sockets, he has these but they are 3/8" drive - see "Six sided Koken socket set" on the website.

By "1/2" nuts 12 point" you mean a 12 point socket that fits a 1/2" drive? The square on the end of the bar is 1/2" across? If so, he definitely has these, "1/2" drive laser BSW socket set" is what you want.

Jack.

[Jack]

Update - I've spoken to them, they don't have sets of BSW impact sockets any more. They still list the Koken 6 sided normal sockets, but in 3/8" drive, which should do for most jobs and avoid rounding off fittings.

Jack.

[Keith Clements]

Wrench (American) = Spanner (proper English)
Mon hex = 6 sided, bi hex = 12 sided.
Note that BSF is one size up from Whit e.g 1/4 whit = 5/16 BSF
I cannot find any mono hex ring spanners but there are (as Jack says)

http://www.baconsdozen.co.uk/tools/whitworth.htm

Set of seven,six sided standard depth whitworth and BSF sockets.Sizes 1/8,3/16,1/4,5/16,3/8,7/16 and 1/2 inch,all are 3/8 inch drive and mono hex flank drive configuration to grip worn or rusty nuts and bolts less damage to brass or alloy fixings.Excellent quality by Koken These are for sale on Ebay and elsewhere for thirty eight pounds or more.Supplied on a socket rail.£25.50p the set post £4..00p to UK.Post Europe £5..20p Ret of World £10..00p

A set of deep whitworth sockets, six sided (flank drive) by Koken of Japan,set of seven 3/8 drive.Sizes 1/8,3/16,1/4,5/16,3/8,7/16 and 1/2 inch whitworth.Deep Whitworth/BSF sockets are now very hard to find .Supplied on a chromed socket rail,very good quality,suitable for a commercial workshop enviroment.Sold as a set on socket rail. £45..00 post 4..00p.to Europe £5..20 and Rest of world £12..00p